Oligarchy or capitalism
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In much leftist and reformist literature, the term oligarchy is mentioned as something new, and even, in the case of the United States, as if it now directly controls the State. This is the view of many Trotskyist groups. For me, capitalism is the same — or is there really a new change?
I understand that capitalism is capitalism — that’s clear to me. But here, liberals and many on the left talk about oligarchy, while very few mention in their writings and speeches the capitalist mode of production, which would actually address the root cause of the so-called oligarchy.
Well, they are not socialists and do not see capitalism itself as the problem. They would define capitalism as “private ownership” and “socialism” as state ownership. But state ownership is private ownership, because the state is the capitalist class’s executive organ.
So they are in fact spokespersons for capitalism at the highest level and reformist dupes at the lowest level who follow them.Leftists are always inventing new terms that are old terms. Capitalism has always been governed and controlled by a minority; and it is a society for a minority, it is nothing new.
Their conception is related to their wrong ideas about the state; they think that the state is a neutral institution for all members of society, as well as they think that the state is financed by the working class, that wars are financed by the workers and that workers have a national debt, therefore, according tp their views workers are part of the capitalist state and that in a socialist society workers are going to have their own state.
It is not; the state it is the executive organ of the capitalist class to administer their socio-economic affairs, ( It was clearly indicated on the Communist Manifesto, and Scientific socialism ) that is not where their wrong conception of the so-called workers’ state comes from, in a socialist society workers are not going oppress each other, and the working class is not going to be a ruling class, it will negate itself a a social class, it will not be a proletarian class any more,
They are still enarbolating the dictatorship of the proletariat, which is a temporary measure that belongs to the 19th century, because capitalism was not a worldwide spread economic system.
With the development of capitalism, the DOP is no longer needed; they are still living in the past, and personally, I think Marx should not have elaborated on that concept, which has created much confusion, and Lenin completely distorted it.
In the particular state of the United States of America, it has always been governed by an oligarchy since the very beginning, and several of the so-called Founding Fathers were members of the capitalist class.Joe Biden discovered last year that the US was governed by an oligarchy;y, old news is not new news. He did not apply it to himself; they think that the only country controlled by an oligarchy is Russia, all countries around the world are governed by an oligarchy, including the so-called socialist countries
I understand that capitalism is capitalism — that’s clear to me. But here, liberals and many on the left talk about oligarchy, while very few mention in their writings and speeches the capitalist mode of production, which would actually address the root cause of the so-called oligarchy.
———————————————–The so-called liberals are not liberals either; they advocate for state-controlled or regulated capitalism. What the leftists call neo liberalism is monetarism.
They have spent their whole life talking about neo liberalism, but they do not talk about the real causes of our society, which is capitalism.
To transfer or to sell state property to private capitalists is not neoliberalism, and the state is not a public institution; it is the private institution of the capitalist class. Most of their definitions and concepts are wrong
Since oligarchy means “rule of the few” capitalism, like all class societies, is an “oligarchy”. If an oligarch is a rich person whose riches allow them to influence the government, then capitalism by the nature of its economy, is continually producing oligarchs as capital accumulates.
Some critics of the way capitalism works just want to abolish oligarchs as the super-rich. They don’t want to abolish capitalism or the ordinary rich.
The main concern of the leftists is Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos and Bill Gates, and taxing the rich, to remove right-wing leaders and replace them with one of their own. They are not a threat to capitalism; with them, capitalism will always exist. For them, Soros controls the whole world instead of the market system
I went to the march where I live in the United States, and there were many people, but most of them were liberals. The speakers were Democrats, and they only talked about the oligarchy and Trump the entire time. I didn’t see any signs about capitalism, except for a few from the so-called left who believe that China is “socialist.” The so-called “radical left” that Trump talks about is really just a reflection of his right-wing ideology.
As I see it, the hot potato of capitalism keeps being passed to the Democrats, and ever since I became politically aware, this has been the same endless cycle!It’s not a question of capitalism *or* oligarchy. Oligarchic power – the power of the ultra wealthy – predates capitalism and exists within it.
What’s different today is that, unlike in previous decades, the oligarchs would get politicians to govern in their behalf now oligarchic interferrnce in politics is more naked and visible.
“Some critics of the way capitalism works just want to abolish oligarchs as the super-rich. They don’t want to abolish capitalism or the ordinary rich.”
This is true – but it gives us a great way into the debate. The problem with oligarchy is that it is a kind of arbitrary power. If people have a problem with this then we can explain how capitalism creates these types of power, but on a non-personal level.
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