Lenin still dead – after 100 years

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  • #250031

    So, tomorrow is the centenary of Lenin’s death: and this weekend’s Morning Star has a huge pull out section on why Lenin was dead important. I think it’s one of the biggest pull out supplements I’ve seen them print, I think they’ve used every existing photo of the man.

    #250033
    imposs1904
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    The Standard missed a trick not reposting this front page article from the March 1924 Socialist Standard in this month’s Standard . . . . or maybe they’re just saving it for the March 2024 issue?

    https://socialiststandardmyspace.blogspot.com/2019/05/the-passing-of-lenin-1924.html

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    #250036

    That’s a good article, and surprisingly well informed for the time: no annexations no indemnities was the standard Social Democrat agreed position at the time (though they added no separate peace): interestingly, one of the articles in the Star makes a virtue of Lenin’s accommodation with the peasantry into a virtue. I’ll plug the hell out of that article.

    #250037

    Ah, and they’re giving the supplement away Here

    #250038
    imposs1904
    Participant

    Interesting to see that one of the articles in the supplement is by Lindsay German. That wouldn’t have happened back in the day.

    #250041
    ALB
    Keymaster

    Yes, we missed that as well as the coming into office of the first Labour government (which didn’t last for long but was enough to convince the ruling class that Labour was fit to govern the British Empire on their behalf).

    Anyway, here’s the special issue we brought out on the centenary of Lenin’s birth in April 1870:

    No. 788 April 1970*

    #250042
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    They have not done their homework yet. They should attend the Socialist Party University to take classes on Socialism/Communism and to abandon Leninism. They need an ‘ideological’ exorcism

    #250226
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Without Leninism and without the Soviet Union socialism would have been in a much better stand in our time

    The world is a better place because Lenin lived

    Look at this misinformation. The Soviet Union is the best example that Leninism has never done any positive for mankind

    #250238
    chelmsford
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    Barltrop made the telling point that if it were not for the Bolshevik revolution, today Marx would be as well known as Lassalle or Duhring or Proudhon to name but three. He would be by and large unknown.

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    #250242
    DJP
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    “Barltrop made the telling point that if it were not for the Bolshevik revolution, today Marx would be as well known as Lassalle or Duhring or Proudhon to name but three. He would be by and large unknown.”

    I think this has got to be true. However, the association has been a curse rather than a blessing.

    #250244
    LBird
    Participant

    chelmsford wrote: “Barltrop made the telling point that if it were not for the Bolshevik revolution, today Marx would be as well known as Lassalle or Duhring or Proudhon to name but three. He would be by and large unknown.”

    On the contrary, I think that Lenin and the Bolshevik revolution have ensured that Marx has remained ‘by and large unknown’.

    Lenin was the successor to Engels’ mistaken views, and Kautsky’s and Plekhanov’s mangling of Marx’s democratic social productionism.

    Lenin almost exclusively quoted Engels, rather than Marx.

    The ‘Marx’ we supposedly ‘know’ today is far removed from Marx’s democratic views.

    #250248
    Anonymous
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    Barltrop made the telling point that if it were not for the Bolshevik revolution, today Marx would be as well known as Lassalle or Duhring or Proudhon to name but three. He would be by and large unknown.

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    It would be better to say that Lenin became a famous politician due to the Russian coup, otherwise he would have passed to history like any other opportunists politician, and Marxian theory would not have been distorted, and we would have known the real concept of socialism and Marxian theory. I would not call it Marxism because it was a wrong conception created by Engels and some of closer collaborators and Bakunin
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    Lenin almost exclusively quoted Engels, rather than Marx.

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    Lenin also quoted Marx but he distorted it in the same way that he did with Engels, and the State and Revolution is the best example where he dishonestly quoted Marx

    #250256
    Anonymous
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    The ‘Marx’ we supposedly ‘know’ today is far removed from Marx’s democratic views.

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    Correct . What the world knew and has known is a distortion made by Lenin and the Bolsheviks, and their followers, and now they are talking about Lenin socialist legacy after 100 years. They do not need eyeglasses, they need binoculars, or microscope to be able to see the reality

    #250258
    LBird
    Participant

    Almamater wrote: “What the world knew and has known is a distortion made by Lenin and the Bolsheviks, and their followers…”

    Certainly, Lenin(ism) is a ‘distortion’, at the very least, but the ‘distorting’ began well before Lenin’s contribution.

    Until serious and fundamental questions are asked about the differences between Marx and Engels (and then Kautsky and Plekhanov), the ‘real’ Marx will remain ‘by and large unknown’.

    It’s a task that has only relatively recently even been started, and Marx has been dead nearly 142 years.

    Perhaps it’s already too late.

    #250259
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    The Marxists Humanist have spent years attacking Engels and Kaustky and they have never published the real conceptions of Marx and they continue supporting Lenin and the bolsheviks coup

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