Labour Party facing bankruptcy

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  • #252027
    imposs1904
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    Count Binface won the internet today.

    #252031
    Bijou Drains
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    There is a definite irony that Elphicke has spent some much time on the small boats issue and has now decided to abandon her own particular sinking ship. Aparently there are sections of the Labour Party are concerned that Elphicke’s values of anti immigration, war mongering, jingoism, anti trades unionism, etc are at odds to the values of the Labour Party. Clearly they have no knowledge of the history of the Labour Party!

    #252289
    ALB
    Keymaster

    So Starmer has said he is a socialist. The best comment on this comes from the SNP MP quoted here:

    https://www.thenational.scot/news/24348401.labour-keir-starmer-calls-progressive-socialist/

    This could be a gaffe that will cost him tens of thousands of votes. After assiduously pursuing Tory votes by trying to convince them that the “changed”Labour Party is the same as the Old Conservative Party he throws it all away by an impromptu reply extracted by a clever journalist.

    His PR team must be tearing their hair out.

    #252291
    Lizzie45
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    #252293

    Possible row back on the Starmer quote:

    “Asked if he would use that word to describe himself, Sir Keir told the BBC: “Yes, I would describe myself as a socialist. I describe myself as a progressive. I’d describe myself as somebody who always puts the country first and party second.” (reported in the Telegraph).

    #252295
    ALB
    Keymaster

    He certainly sounds like someone trying to dig themself out of a hole. And on the same day that a number of capitalists call for a vote for Labour in a letter to the Times

    https://x.com/hendopolis/status/1795201388340711607

    #252299
    ALB
    Keymaster

    Looks as if Starmer has inadvertently brought socialism back on the agenda, giving us a foot in the door.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/may/28/is-starmer-really-a-socialist-and-what-will-happen-if-labour-wins-election

    We will need to answer this at some point.

    #252315
    ALB
    Keymaster

    Reeves has refused to say that she is a socialist. Which is rather obvious and it’s a good thing she doesn’t claim to be one, as the word has been dragged through the mud enough already:

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/keir-starmer-jonathan-reynolds-peter-mandelson-derby-rollsroyce-b1160547.html

    She says here that she has “always called myself a social democrat” (which today means a bourgeois democrat who favours a few social measures for people). But in her book The Women who made Modern Economics, at the end of the chapter on Rosa Luxemburg, she says that she is a Fabian rather than a Marxist. Yet the Fabians claimed to be socialists (by which they meant state capitalism run by them). Maybe she didn’t know this. Or maybe this was part of her book that was exposed as plagiarism. And of course Rosa Luxemburg also called herself a Social Democrat (which at one time meant a socialist).

    #252373
    Bijou Drains
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    Looking at the possible outcome of the election, with Electoral Calculus predicting a possible 362 seat Labour Majority (Labour winning 485 seats and the Tories winning just 66), Starmer and his buddies may end up with a more credible opposition within his own party.

    Even if a small group of leftist Labourites plus Corbyn, Abbot and maybe Galloway, they could become a bigger number than the Tories and therefore become the opposition but still not threaten a Labour Government.

    That might appeal to the anti Starmer wing who are sick of the way that they have been treated. They’d have five years to build a constituency and it would be no risk to them as they wouldn’t be missing out on ministerial positions (they won’t be invited) and they wouldn’t have to worry about their eventual and clearly predictable de selection in 5 years time.

    There were 31 memebers of the Socialist Campaign group in the sitting parliament, I know some are retiring, but it may be that there might be enough to get them over the 66 (it might be that the Tories get less than 66, Electoral Calculus have a possible low number of Tories at 34)

    #252380
    imposs1904
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    I thought this was interesting clip of Michael Crick talking about the vindictiveness of the Labour Right over the selection of parliamentary candidates. No doubt this past week of Starmer own goals will be (temporarily) forgotten come July 5th but I think it does point to a deeper poison within the current Labour leadership. This kind of political-gangsterism will be par for the course for the Labour Government, and once they run out of Labour Lefts to punch down on, they’ll quickly turn on each other.

    https://x.com/AaronBastani/status/1797734950210548028

    #252383
    imposs1904
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    Faiza Shaheen, who was the Labour PPC for Chingford & Woodford Green before she was politically ambushed by the Labour leadership for social media activity, has resigned from the Labour Party. No news yet if she’s standing as an independent:

    https://x.com/faizashaheen/status/1797974259643588845

    • This reply was modified 1 week, 3 days ago by imposs1904.
    #252385
    james19
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    Didn’t want to start a new thread.

    Nigel Farage…. who said he joined the tory party after listening to Keith Joseph.
    I posted that the party held a discussion with Sir Keith Joseph – as he became, the case for capitalism. The party speaker was Hardy.

    https://x.com/AbolishWagesSys/status/1797768843819204903?t=qFfp10086-TEuRauMoEcng&s=19

    #252386
    Lizzie45
    Participant

    I posted that the party held a discussion with Sir Keith Joseph – as he became, the case for capitalism. The party speaker was Hardy.

    You’re referring to a public debate which took place at a college in South London in 1975.

    Debate – ‘The Case for Capitalism’

    #252387
    ALB
    Keymaster

    Just saw a truck from the haulage firm Tony Starmer. Perhaps a long-lost relative but evidently a true blue patriot too:

    http://www.tonystarmertransport.co.uk/

    #252404
    imposs1904
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    Faiza Shaheen is standing as an independent in Chingford & Woodford Green:

    https://x.com/faizashaheen/status/1798369070657782177

    I guess that’ll increase the chance of Iain Duncan Smith retaining his seat. Maybe, if re-elected, he’ll decide to have a second go at being leader of a rump Tory Party.

    I think I might need more popcorn.

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