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August 8, 2026 at 8:03 pm #265314
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ParticipantThe expansion of Christian fundamentalism has now, I see from new books and internet videos, at last sparked an academic (at least) exposure of the Jesus myth and of the biblical mythology in general.
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The whole bible, the Quran, and the Torah have been debunked and proven to be just mythologies; Christianity have been proven to be based on a myth, and that Jesus and his apostles never existed; some places that he walked did not exist in his time; churches have been exposed as business establishments attached to the capitalis,t mode of production, but people still believe in mythology.. The Odyssey movie has collected more than 1008 billion in profits; it is a sign that most people believe in mythology and wars
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August 8, 2026 at 8:15 pm #265315Thomas_More
Participant” they do not care if children are killed, pregnants women ”
This is from God: An Anatomy:
…the Jesus of the New Testament Gospels presents marriage and childbirth as a relic of a former age of spiritual ignorance that his death and resurrection would destroy.
By the second century CE this hostility [to sex] had intensified. In … the Acts of Thomas the risen Jesus appears in the bedchamber of a newly married couple on their wedding night urging them not to have sex. “Know that if you refrain from this filthy intercourse you become temples holy and pure, and you will not be involved in the cares of life and children, whose end is destruction.” (Suffer little children indeed!)-
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August 8, 2026 at 8:19 pm #265317Thomas_More
ParticipantAnd the majority of academics in universities still hold that there was an historical Jesus.
August 8, 2026 at 10:09 pm #265324Ciudadano Del Mundo
ParticipantAnd the majority of academics in universities still hold that there was an historical Jesus.
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It is the opposite of what Engels said: That scientists are materialist in their laboratories and idealist in their private lives; they do not want to lose their jobs; fundamentalism has taken over our society . Two teachers were laid off because they were teaching the real fundamentals of world history; they want history based on the theological conception of history. They talk against feudal times, but this period is worse
August 8, 2026 at 10:22 pm #265327Thomas_More
ParticipantYes. Medieval schooling was based on the Humanities.
Now, only “business” matters. In the US universities now run courses on Taylor Swift!!!!
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August 8, 2026 at 11:49 pm #265330Bijou Drains
ParticipantTM“And the majority of academics in universities still hold that there was an historical Jesus”
Would be interested in reading the research that supports this statement
August 8, 2026 at 11:56 pm #265331Ciudadano Del Mundo
ParticipantIn my first alma mater, humanities and general education were the mandatory entrance courses for every student; it was a joy to study and discuss the humanities.
The humanities departments are going to be closed.
In the USA, museums on history and archaeology are being closed or modified to show brainwashing events. The minister of education is an expert on wrestling and boxing; she does not have a degree in education or pedagogy
In Iran, with the bombing, they have destroyed many historical sites, and the museum of Baghdad was vandalised, and a whole historical town was destroyed in Syria.
During the pandemic, internists ( internal medicine ) and nurses were killed based on conspiracy theories influenced by stupid religious fundamentalism. It takes years to become an internist.
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After business school, they do not read any books; they just want to be CEO and bootlickers.https://www.bestcolleges.com/news/these-colleges-have-taylor-swift-classes/. They are teaching this shit now
August 9, 2026 at 12:36 am #265333Thomas_More
ParticipantBJ -https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_Jesus
Historical Jesus.
” Richard Dawkins acknowledges that a normal human man named Jesus likely lived, though he firmly rejects the supernatural claims, divinity, and miracles associated with Jesus Christ. In his book The God Delusion, Dawkins initially suggested that the historical case for Jesus not existing at all was plausible, but he has since recognized and conceded the mainstream academic consensus that a historical preacher from Nazareth did walk the earth.Dawkins’ View on the Historical JesusAccepts a human teacher: Dawkins agrees that an itinerant Jewish preacher named Jesus lived in the first century and was eventually crucified.Rejects the divine: He views Jesus as a mortal man, stating that Jesus was a theist because “back then everyone was”.Denies miracles: He completely rejects claims of the resurrection, virgin birth, and turning water into wine as religious myth rather than factual history.Scholarly ContextMainstream consensus: Virtually all professional historians, whether Christian or atheist (such as prominent New Testament scholar Bart Ehrman), agree that Jesus was a historical figure.Mythicism minority: The idea that Jesus never existed at all is treated as a fringe theory by mainstream historians, which is why Dawkins faced criticism from both believers and secular historians for previously suggesting it was a serious academic debate.”
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August 9, 2026 at 1:13 am #265339Thomas_More
ParticipantEzekiel sees God’s genitalia.
“Upward from what looked to be His motnayim (groin) I saw it sparkling like amber; it seemed to be enveloped all around by fire.”
(Quoted from God: An Anatomy.)
Likewise (ibid.) Isaiah sees Yahweh enthroned in the Temple, which is filled by His shul, that is to say His genitalia.
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August 9, 2026 at 1:54 am #265344Ciudadano Del Mundo
ParticipantThe Nation of Islam claims that there was a scientific tribe known as the tribe of Shabbaz.
I read the book, but it sounds like the continent of Lemuria of the Rosicrucians,
There are not archeological evidence of the existence of that tribe; it is only a theological creation.
They claim that the Afro American are the descendants of that tribe and that they are the real chosen people of god, and that they existed before Adam and Eve, before Enoch and before Noah and Moses
August 9, 2026 at 2:04 am #265345Ciudadano Del Mundo
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Max Heindel
Max HeindelMax HeindelThe Rosicrucian Cosmo-Conception or Mystic Christianity
by Max Heindel (Author) Format: Kindle EditionMax Heindel’s The Rosicrucian Cosmo-Conception is a sweeping metaphysical system that unites occult science, Western mysticism, and Christian esotericism into a bold vision of the soul’s evolution through cosmic cycles of birth, death, and rebirth. Written in the early 20th century as the foundational text of the Rosicrucian Fellowship, the book outlines a grand cosmology in which the visible and invisible worlds are interconnected through layers of vibration, spirit, and will. Heindel explores the constitution of the human being—dense body, vital body, desire body, and ego—and describes how spiritual progress occurs through repeated lifetimes, moral development, and esoteric training. Drawing from astrology, alchemy, Christian mysticism, and Theosophical influences, Heindel presents a deeply detailed roadmap of human destiny: from our origins in the spirit world to our eventual return as conscious co-creators with the divine. His tone is didactic yet devotional, offering both scientific structure and moral urgency. For seekers, mystics, and spiritual students, The Rosicrucian Cosmo-Conception offers not only a model of the universe, but a personal path toward purification, knowledge, and illumination. It is a cornerstone work for modern Western esotericism.
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Another Genesis book published by the Rosacrucians; I did not find anything scientific in this book as they claim; it is all esoteric. They claim that Jesus was an Aryan and that he had a secret society of selected members
The Rosicrucian perspective on the hidden or “secret” life of Jesus is primarily detailed in H. Spencer Lewis’s 1929 book, The Mystical Life of Jesus, which draws from secret archives of the Rosicrucian Order and ancient Essene monastery records. It presents Jesus as a supreme avatar trained in covert eastern and middle-eastern mystery schools
In India, they claim that they have the body of Jesus in Kashmir.
In Ethiopia, they claim that the Ark of the Covenant
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August 9, 2026 at 2:11 am #265347Ciudadano Del Mundo
Participanthttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Thirteenth_Tribe
The 13th tribe of Israel
The term “13th tribe” does not refer to a real historical group of Israelites. Instead, it originates either from biblical technicalities where the number of tribes technically totals 13 or from Arthur Koestler’s pseudohistorical book.
The Thirteenth Tribe about the Khazars, or from the sci-fi television series Battlestar Galactica.
Jacob had 12 sons, which traditionally formed the 12 Tribes of Israel. However, the tribe of Levi was set aside for temple duties and received no land inheritance, so they were often left out of territorial counts.
To keep the total at 12 portions of land, Joseph’s two sons—Ephraim and Manasseh—were treated as separate full tribes, creating 13 distinct groups depending on how they are counted. T
The Khazar Hypothesis (Arthur Koestler’s book): In 1976, author Arthur Koestler published The Thirteenth Tribe, arguing that Ashkenazi Jews are not descended from ancient Israelites, but from the Khazars, a Turkic group in the Caucasus region that converted to Judaism in the 8th or 9th century.
Modern genetic and historical research has thoroughly debunked this hypothesis, showing that Ashkenazi Jews share significant genetic ancestry with other Jewish and Middle Eastern populations, rather than Turkic steppe populations.
There is no direct archaeological or non-biblical historical evidence proving that the biblical patriarch Jacob lived or died in Egypt. His account is found exclusively in religious texts like the Book of Genesis, and mainstream historians and archaeologists view the narrative as part of oral tradition and national myth rather than verified history. Everything about the bible has been proven to be false, and there is no historical Jesus
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August 9, 2026 at 6:18 am #265351Ciudadano Del Mundo
ParticipantThe apocalypse book has nothing to do with calamities, wars and the Antichrist; it was a type of literature that existed in the time that it was written.
It is a book based on signs; it was symbolically written for the Christian communities of the first century that were persecuted by the Roman
The number 666 has nothing to do with wars and antichrists; it refers to a Roman emperor known as Nero and Dominiciano
The mystery was resolved many years ago by German academics.The time has already passed; Nero is dead, and the Roman Empire collapsed; therefore, churches are only preaching fears
The book was not written by James; it was written by Jewish priests and scholars, and it is based on myth; it is not real, and nothing written in that book has taken place. It is not a historical book; it is not based on prophecy.
The Christian churches want to use it as a prophetic book about the end of the world, Armageddon; that is only religious terrorism
August 9, 2026 at 6:21 am #265352Bijou Drains
ParticipantTM, I assumed that you meant all academics in terms of all those involved in any academic work, rather than those who are involved in what has sometimes been described as “paleo Christianity”, bible history studies, etc.
In terms of the wider group of people I was thinking of, I would think the vast majority of academics, physicists, chemists, engineers, geographers, artists, etc. could give a flying feck.
Christianity is dying on its arse, regardless of the propagandists of religion say, whilst trying to use dodgy statistics to claim otherwise.
The fact that there are a higher proportion of fundamentalist involved in many Christian groups is not because that viewpoint is growing, it’s because they are they becoming more and more the only ones left.
Despite the propaganda the same process seems to be seen in UK Muslim communities. I work with young people in a city that has a big Muslim population. I see more and more young people choosing to marry non Muslims, dressing less conservatively and when in conversation they often say they attend mosque to keep their parents happy.
I found a survey somewhere which was carried out confidentially and about 23% of “Muslim” respondents stated they were either agnostic or atheist
August 9, 2026 at 6:40 am #265353Ciudadano Del Mundo
ParticipantArchaeologists and palaeontologists are proving that religions have no logic, and they are showing that everything is a myth. Astrophysics, biologists, and embryologists do not give a damm about religion
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