Israel and Hezbollah
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October 4, 2024 at 3:28 pm #254290ALBKeymaster
That’s a good find, especially coming from a witch doctor and a supreme one at that. It shows that even he accepts a materialist (as opposed to a religious) explanation for the conflict in the Middle East.
Here for the record (and it’s worth recording for future use) is what his official website says what he said:
“The insistence of the US and its allies on ensuring the safety of the usurping regime serves as a cover for their lethal policy of changing the [Zionist] regime into a tool for seizing all the resources of this region and using it [that regime] in major global conflicts.
Their policy is to turn the [Zionist] regime into a gateway for exporting energy from the region to the Western world while facilitating the import of goods and technology from the West to the region. This [approach] ensures the survival of the usurping regime and increases the entire region’s dependency on it.”October 7, 2024 at 3:33 pm #254310robbo203ParticipantThe Hannibal Directive – “How Israel killed hundreds of its own people on 7 October”
https://electronicintifada.net/content/how-israel-killed-hundreds-its-own-people-7-october/49216
Also this
October 7, 2024 at 9:32 pm #254314h.moss@swansea.ac.ukParticipantI just don’t get why some people are prepared to cast far and wide for arguments to somehow justify or at least play down the Hamas attack of 7 October, which has also proved disastrous for Palestinian workers.
October 8, 2024 at 7:02 am #254316robbo203Participant“I just don’t get why some people are prepared to cast far and wide for arguments to somehow justify or at least play down the Hamas attack of 7 October, which has also proved disastrous for Palestinian workers.”
——————————————-The point of citing evidence that the Israeli regime very clearly lied through its teeth when it came to accounting for what happened on Oct 7 is not to “justify” the Hamas attack. I do not know how you could have possibly drawn such a conclusion. I no more support Hamas or Hezbollah than you and fully agree that Oct 7 turned out to be a disaster for Palestinian workers….
No, the point in citing such evidence is to illustrate and underline the extent to which this vile racist regime of Israel (that believes it is the land of “God´s chosen people” and that Palestinians are animals to be culled) will go to promote and justify its murderous policies of butchering other people in the repulsive cause of zionist nationalism. Over 20,000 Palestinian kids have so far been murdered by this regime in Gaza. Are we supposed to condone this by merely saying it wouldn’t have happened had Oct 7 not happened?
Oct 7 was not the start of the conflict – merely a moment in an ongoing conflict going back decades. Are we to remain silent about the fact that Gaza had been turned into an open-air concentration camp or that Palestinians in the West Bank have found themselves turfed out of the homes they had lived in for generations, which homes were subsequently bulldozed by racist thugs for the purpose of expanding Israeli settlements there? I sincerely hope not!
The evidence is now pretty convincing that the Israeli regime embarked on a massive campaign of deliberate disinformation to justify its wholly disproportionate and asymmetrical use of military force to raze Gaza to the ground, killing tens of thousands of innocent human beings in the process. Remember the lurid tales of Hamas killing 40 babies? It turns out it was all lies. It now also turns out that it was the Israeli military itself that killed hundreds of Israeli citizens itself and then blamed Hamas for their deaths.
That is not to excuse what Hamas did but, at the same time, we cannot in all honesty stand by and allow such lies to go unchallenged and be used for the purpose of promoting mass murder. Most of the mainstream media went along with the regime’s outrageous narrative and are therefore complicit in its criminal acts. As socialists, we surely cannot possibly do the same
October 10, 2024 at 5:49 pm #254338h.moss@swansea.ac.ukParticipantVery good article in the I newspaper here. Tells it like it is.
October 10, 2024 at 9:55 pm #254341ALBKeymasterI couldn’t open it so I don’t know what it says. But Patrick Cockburn’s articles in the weekend i paper are always good. In a recent one he makes the point that the no decent-minded human being can honestly condone what the Israeli killing machine directed by its present government is doing. They are ordered to kill their opponents’ military and political leaders irrespective of how many ordinary people are as well. In fact they have a calculus of how many can be killed depending on the importance of the intended target. If you happen to live in the same apartment block as one of these or just to be passing by, too bad you are expendable. You will be killed too. See this article from the May Socialist Standard:
http://socialiststandardmyspace.blogspot.com/2024/05/pathfinders-death-by-algorithm-2024.html?m=0
The Israeli killing machine has reduced Gaza to rubble and has killed tens of thousands of ordinary people. It’s now embarked on doing the same to Beirut.
I realise that this is what a state will do if it considers that its very existence is threatened, but even so.
October 11, 2024 at 3:43 am #254345ZJWParticipantALB –
Here’s a link, that will work, to the h.moss recommended article: https://archive.ph/lRWgPOctober 11, 2024 at 10:35 am #254347ALBKeymasterThanks. Read it now. Yes, it does describe the brutal theocracy in Iran as it is. Not sure, though, that the aim of the regime there is to impose the rule of Ayatollahs and mad mullahs on the Arab countries where Sunni not Shia Islam is the majority. Imposing barbaric and anti-woman sharia law would be more likely to be what the dynastic rulers of Saudi Arabia would like.
I think it is rather a question of the current rulers of Iran seeking to use Shia minorities in Arab states to further its foreign policy aim of kicking out the US from the region.
What I don’t understand is why the Shia minority in Lebanon — which historically has been a downtrodden group, the bottom of the pile there, beneath the Christians and the Sunnis — should think they have a stake in destroying Israel. As its immediate neighbours it might be thought that they would think in terms of live and let live.
But just as the Israeli Jews allowed themselves to be the US rulers’ cat’s paw in the region so the Lebanese Shia have allowed themselves to be Iran’s. Two big mistakes whose results we are now seeing.
October 24, 2024 at 11:00 am #254496chelmsfordParticipantHow do you suppose Hamas and Hezbollah choose their leader these days. Short straw? The black spot?
October 24, 2024 at 1:43 pm #254498ZJWParticipantIn connection with #254338 —
About expatriate Irani royalism’s pro-Israelism: https://internationalpolicy.org/publications/exiled-iranian-monarchists-align-with-israels-hardliners/
And also here, by the infamous David Miller, writing on the Irani state’s Press TV website … and in fact he mentions the author of the h.moss recommended article, in an uncomplimentary fashion naturally:
October 27, 2024 at 6:33 pm #254569robbo203ParticipantA quite interesting and informative article by Chris Hedges on the role of the media in the current conflict
https://x.com/chrislynnhedges/status/1850217151925465400?s=43&t=APE_TKXnYnrsmOJtpqdVfA
“Israel´s War on Journalism
There are some 4,000 foreign reporters accredited in Israel to cover the war. They stay in luxury hotels. They go on dog and pony shows orchestrated by the Israeli military. They can, on rare occasions, be escorted by Israeli soldiers on lightning visits to Gaza, where they are shown alleged weapons caches or tunnels the military says are used by Hamas. They dutifully attend daily press conferences. They are given off-the-record briefings by senior Israeli officials who feed them information that often turns out to be untrue. They are Israel’s unwitting and sometimes witting propagandists, stenographers for the architects of apartheid and genocide, hotel room warriors. Bertolt Brecht acidly called them the spokesmen of the spokesmen.
And how many foreign reporters are there in Gaza? None.” -
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