May 8, 2020 at 11:05 pm #201626OzymandiasParticipant
Back to conspiracy territory I’m afraid folks. But this video is important I think. From Dr Judy Mikovits PhD.May 9, 2020 at 2:56 pm #201677Matthew CulbertKeymasterMay 9, 2020 at 9:52 am #201665Bijou DrainsParticipant(126.96.36.199)
These conspiracy theories, that a small group of people are secretly controlling the world and using its resources for their own benefit in an anti democratic and dictatorial manner, is a smokescreen for the fact that a small group of people (the capitalist class) are openly controlling the world and using its resources for their own benefit in an anti democratic and dictatorial manner.May 9, 2020 at 10:15 am #201666
And “conspiracy” is so much easier than thoughtful social analysis. Which is why, in 2020, there are countless more flat earthers than there are socialists.May 9, 2020 at 12:32 pm #201667Bijou DrainsParticipant(188.8.131.52)
One of the arguments I use when I talk to conspirancy theorists, is how will the conspirators they think control the earth continue to conspire in a moneyless world of common ownership? How will they bribe, corrupt and punish?
If the illumanti or the deep state or whatever bogey man they make up does exist, then only Socialism can get rid of them.
Perhaps we should use that as a slogan at the next election “vote Socialist and get rid of the Lizard People”, just an idea 🙁May 9, 2020 at 12:35 pm #201669Dave CheshamParticipant(184.108.40.206)
“And back to conspiracy debunking, Ozy, from just a few sources but there are multiple.”
Those who have access to Facebook will have seen that the Plandemic video, which several individuals had succumbed to, including, sadly, some Party members, has been well and truly debunked.May 9, 2020 at 1:17 pm #201670
Forget that, Bijou.
Conspiracism is a cult. One cannot rationalise with the extremely irrational. I know firsthand.
The conspiracist will say s/he KNOWS. Their speech is repetition of the guru’s they follow. They are incapable of thought outside the confines of their ideology.
It’s the same as arguing with evangelicals. Conspiracists are evangelicals, even if Christless. Which is why evangelicals so easily embrace conspiracism.May 9, 2020 at 1:19 pm #201671
Dave, isn’t that the Eric Dubay thing? He’s a flat earther.May 9, 2020 at 1:24 pm #201672
IDEOLOGY VS. PHILOSOPHY
<p dir=”ltr”>One can be brainwashed by minority, alternative, media too.
Cults are minorities. Some are very small.
The difference between brainwashing and thought is the difference between ideology and philosophy.
The ideologist adopts instantly the entire credo of a group because of an emotional / romantic / image-based need, or a need to belong.
This is what the “phases” of adolescents are, seeking belonging, or seduced by imagery.
It is true that most, having passed through this stage, and being working-class (99% of the world’s population are working class), have little time on their hands for thought beyond that of working for their living and struggling to raise families etc. Life under capitalism means it is convenient to rely on mainstream media, and hence be patriotic and trusting of whichever nation-state apparatus governs them and the news it puts out.
Minorities, some small, some large, will seek belonging, still, in groups and cults which, demonstrating some “rebelliousness” or “difference” from “the herd” give them the sense of belonging through difference. Such are converts to religions, racist groups, anything that has a leader or pundit to follow, and by following, belong. For some, the more outrageous and the more reviled, the better.
All these are <i>ideology</i>.</p>
<p dir=”ltr”>Philosophy, however, is very different from ideology.
The philosopher does not accept the entirety of someone else’s thought, nor reject that entirety, on the basis of agreement or disagreement in one or two particulars. A philosopher does not require leaders to follow. S/he does not wish to lead. S/he is not interested in imagery. S/he doesn’t care about belonging to anything. S/he may be mistaken in things, but cannot be brainwashed. There is no danger for the philosopher in listening to or watching or reading <i>any</i> media or propaganda.
S/he is not susceptible to brainwashing, neither by the state nor by any cult, neither by the majority nor any minority.
The only way to damage the philosopher is to physically do so, by violence applied to the brain.
The philosopher <i>sifts</i> information in the light of views – philosophy – developed through the course of their lifetime. This is why philosophers usually disagree about most things. If s/he joins a group it is not to find belonging; it is not because of any need to be in a group. It is purely because of a shared interest.
The philosopher does not <i>abdicate</i> his/her thought in order to <i>be part of</i> a group or party.</p>May 9, 2020 at 1:46 pm #201674
<b>Conspiracy theorist</b><i> </i>or<b> </b><b>conspiracist</b>, <i>n.</i>
A person lacking in personal reserves of wisdom and with no capacity for discernment or intellectual discipline, who rejects all received knowledge on the basis that everything is a conspiracy against him/her and others. Ironically, while claiming all received knowledge and book-learning to be a conspiracy, the conspiracist voraciously absorbs and believes, without any discernment, any and every outlandish and mystical charlatanry going – as long as it rejects received knowledge and wisdom. When challenged, the conspiracist will opt for nihilism – denying that any of us can ever know anything – whilst simultaneously, like the religious fundamentalist, claiming that s/he<i>does </i>know. The conspiracist is an absolutist. A genuine thinker, historian or scientist need have one fault, be wrong about one fact, or say one thing questionable, and the conspiracist will seize on it as “proof” we should reject the former’s entire corpus. Whilst proudly proclaiming his/her individuality and rejecting all received knowledge, the conspiracist is the most enthralled by the self-appointed gurus whose statements s/he repeats, and presents as personal conclusions. The digital phenomenon has been a godsend to the charlatans who sow conspiracy theories, pseudoscience and pseudohistory. The gullible these depend on are the conspiracy theoristsMay 9, 2020 at 6:32 pm #201689Dave CheshamParticipant
“Dave, isn’t that the Eric Dubay thing? He’s a flat earther.”
On a par JO. But on this occasion it’s Judy Mikovits.May 14, 2020 at 2:18 am #202238alanjjohnstoneParticipant
Worth a read
“…Pouring our energy and anger into the wrong direction ultimately hurts us, not the elites that conspiracy theorists claim to target.”May 14, 2020 at 7:59 pm #202310marcosParticipant
We are living in a world based on conspiracy theories, and many presidents are using them to promote their political campaignMay 22, 2020 at 11:53 pm #202777alanjjohnstoneParticipant
Half of all Americans who name Fox News as their primary television news source and 44% of voters who cast ballots for Trump in 2016 “believe that Bill Gates is plotting to use a mass COVID-19 vaccination campaign as a pretext to implant microchips in billions of people and monitor their movements.May 23, 2020 at 1:59 am #202778marcosParticipant
They don’t need the chip, they already have it on their stupid brains
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