Anti-Zionism is not anti-semitic

April 2024 Forums General discussion Anti-Zionism is not anti-semitic

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  • #208871

    Alan, we don’t have to imagine, we’ve run enough election campaigns against (now) Lady Kate Hoey…

    #208968
    alanjjohnstone
    Keymaster

    Jonathan Cook on the report

    Corbyn was Never Going to get a Fair Hearing in the EHRC Antisemitism Report

     its findings – deeply flawed, vague and glaringly inconsistent as they were – were nowhere near as dramatic as the headlines suggested.

    #209053
    alanjjohnstone
    Keymaster

    Jonathan Cook continues his surgical dissection of the EHRC report on the Labour Party

    It is the Equalities Commission, not Labour, carrying out Political Interference

    Senior officials stalled antisemitism complaints not because they were especially antisemitic but because they knew the delays would embarrass Corbyn and weaken him inside the party…The corporate media long ago styled Labour staff who delayed the complaints procedure to harm Corbyn as antisemitism “whistleblowers”…

    …If Labour had an identifiable problem in relation to antisemitism complaints, according to the report, it seems to have occurred mostly in terms of the party being too hasty and aggressive in tackling antisemitism, in response to relentless criticism from the media and Jewish organisations, rather than being indulgent of it.

    Again, no one in the media, Jewish leadership organisations, or the new Labour leadership wants this finding to be highlighted. So it is being ignored.

    #209055
    alanjjohnstone
    Keymaster

    Apartheid?

    The Israeli government is requesting to expand the jurisdiction of the northern Jewish town of Harish by nearly 50 percent, even though hundreds of its homes are vacant, after a report projected that the area’s Arab population will overtake its Jewish population.

    https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/editorial/today-s-koenig-memorandum-1.9274303

    #209075
    ZJW
    Participant
    Robbo-
    Replying to your #208865 ….
            

    As to your second point, the purpose of this part of the definition (‘Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination’) is almost certainly purely and simply intended to delegitimise any possible rising tide of support for the ‘One-State’ solution.  (As opposed to a hypothetical world-universal No-State solution.) But their reply (if any) would be very interesting indeed, yes.
                 

    PS: Among self-identifying Jews in the US, support for the One-State solution has according to these figures anyway risen to 13%: https://mondoweiss.net/2020/11/a-biden-presidency-would-bring-huge-pressure-on-liberal-zionists-from-pro-bds-jews/  (About the middle of that page.) And it is reasonably guessed to be around 25% among the young.     
    #209401
    alanjjohnstone
    Keymaster

    Will islamophobia rate the same attention and headlines as anti-semitism?

    29% Muslims in the Labour Party  have experienced Islamophobia

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/11/14/hold-one-in-four-muslims-experience-islamophobia-in-labour-party

    #209406
    ALB
    Keymaster

    A rare judgement that anti-Zionism is not anti-semitic.

    #209408
    alanjjohnstone
    Keymaster

    “…the comments made by Mr Ali to be offensive but not anti-Semitic the GPhC issued him with a warning on the grounds that his words were offensive and his behaviour amounted to misconduct…”

    Is disagreeing with pro-Israeli government advocates still to be judged as offensive. I don’t know what he actually said about zionism or zionists but what we would say is also very likely to upset and offend their views.

     

    #209409
    ALB
    Keymaster

    Actually his comments were rather offensive.

    But the main point was that the panel didn’t accept that IHRA’s tendentious  definition that to criticise the foundation of the state of Israel is itself anti-Semitic.

    #209411
    alanjjohnstone
    Keymaster

    Certainly coming very close to anti-semitism, wasn’t he?

    #209626
    alanjjohnstone
    Keymaster

    The US has declared as anti-Semitic a prominent international movement which calls for a complete boycott of Israel over its treatment of the Palestinians. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) was “a cancer”, adding the US would stop funding groups linked to it.

    No doubt other countries will follow the American lead

    https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/israel-bds-boycott-movement-us-label-anti-semitic

    I guess the boycott against Apartheid South Africa was anti-white racism

    #210202
    alanjjohnstone
    Keymaster

    An imminent purge of the CLPs in the Labour Party

    Labour could suspend ‘thousands’ of members over antisemitism, Angela Rayner says | The Independent

    The Labour Party will suspend “thousands and thousands” of members unless they “get real” about antisemitism, Angela Rayner has warned.

    And the irony is that she is using the slogans of class solidarity to do it.

    “If I have to suspend thousands and thousands of members, we will do that. Because we cannot and we will not accept an injury to one, because an injury to one is an injury to all. That’s what we say in our movement.”

    Jewish Labour Movement chair Mike Katz welcomed Ms Rayner’s “commendably strong words”

    “There’s been some really, really ugly scenes in CLP meetings across the country as offices and constituencies choose to ignore direction from the Labour Party and pass motions about Jeremy Corbyn.” Katz said there must be “the commitment to follow up suspensions with expulsion”

    I don’t think such a purge will happen other than isolated individual cases but it is to create a hostile atmosphere against any criticism which is the intent, to suppress dissent.

    #210334
    alanjjohnstone
    Keymaster

    David Feldman, director of the Pears Institute for the Study of Antisemitism at Birkbeck, University of London, casts doubt on the IHRA.

    The government should not impose a faulty definition of antisemitism on universities | Antisemitism | The Guardian

    ‘The working definition’s indeterminacy will provide a standing invitation to individuals and organisations to bring allegations of antisemitism against students and lecturers. Not least because some individuals and advocacy groups genuinely and passionately believe that the movement to boycott Israel is inherently antisemitic.’

     

    #210749
    ZJW
    Participant
    Jonathan Cook: ‘Antisemitism claims mask a reign of political and cultural terror across Europe’:
    And here is the article mentioned in his first sentence:
    Haaretz: ‘In Germany, a witch hunt is raging against critics of Israel. Cultural leaders have had enough’:  https://www.haaretz.com/misc/article-print-page/1.9362662
    (This link gets around the subscription firewall)
    #210751
    PartisanZ
    Participant

    https://www.haaretz.com/misc/all-today-s-headlines

    Some not bad stuff on that site.

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