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DJP – Dunno about being placid angels but it would be a mightily embarrassing sight to see socialists sharing the tribalism that Chelmsford describes. But that has nothing to do with the subject at hand and the astonishing assertion that competition always implies violence as stated by a participant here.
Chelmsford – The title of this thread is ‘WILL SPORT & COMPETITIVE GAMES EXIST IN SOCIALISM?’ How many socialists were within your observed group of parents at the touchline?
‘Do not’? I can do and say as I wish you pompous individual. My contention is that competition should be confined to sports. And competition is not based on violence. Competition is infantile and harmless fun if those engaged in it are politically mature individuals.
Almamater – why do you equate competition with violence? I love to pit my skills against others in various board games etc. I haven’t sustained any cuts or bruises in 60 years of enjoying competitive pastimes.
I’ve always thought that sport is the only relevant place for infantile competition – and we all like to be kids once and a while.
Almanmater – fortunately you don’t get to decide what is discussed on this forum. We don’t all share your obsession with left wing politics.
Lizzie – then stop being a troll.So the working class are not allowed any interest in philosophy or science or aesthetics? – Almamater and Lizzie are just examples of old school anti-intellectualism.
Trying to reform the system is like cutting off heads of the hydra where more appear after every decapitation. This is what leads to political cynicism and despair among many on the left.
TM – ‘celibacy ensured ecclesiastical power’
What’s the evidence for this – I’m told that even Pope’s had many illegitimate children.
TM – It’s usual to purge the radical elements within the ranks supporting the bourgeoisie in their struggle once the revolution is secured – happened in the French and Russian revolutions as well.
Strewth! TM and Chelmsford have really got it in for the working class. In an attempt to counter all this doom and gloom I can say that during the pandemic my medical conditions made it impossible to do many normal everyday things and I was pleased and surprised how many complete strangers offered me their help. And let’s not forget all those in the medical profession who risked their lives everyday to get us through the worst of it. So let’s not throw the baby out with the bathwater – my generation survived the ‘Cuban Crisis’ and the many other dangerous cold war emergencies so we are somewhat used to this end of the world hysteria. Comrades, isn’t it incumbent on us to be a little more optimistic?
In clarifying this we might better be able to get to grips with the “scaling up” objection to socialism which ranks alongside the economic calculation argument and the human nature argument as the principal objections to socialism
We might be able to counter these objections for a very small minority who are open to rational debate but for the majority of both left and right they will just find another excuse to object to socialism. What makes ideology so strong is that it’s impervious to reasoned argument. Our real problem is to convince people that they don’t need leaders to tell them what to do. It takes courage to mature politically in a state dedicated to keeping the population politically infantile. The terror of thinking for oneself is something most cannot overcome. By all means carry on with rational analysis and debate but it’s time we admitted that it doesn’t work for the majority. The endless debate with ‘TS’ seems to prove that the Party hasn’t grasped this fact. I believe this is what we should concentrate on rather than trying to counter the unending rationalizations that reactionaries use to object to socialism.
