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‘No, just an anti-imperialist.’
TS – History shows us that all capitalist states are ‘imperialist’ when given the opportunity.alien1 – I have indeed made a study of events in the area and would agree with a lot of your analysis. At the last count (by Wikipedia) there were about 150 ongoing struggles for independence in the world and most of them contain horror stories of oppression. As we’ve seen in the past that even if these struggles are successful having an ‘indigenous’ ruling class never ends the problems that fueled the rebellions in the first place. We must never support the struggles for new nation states because they and their elites will cause the same problems. Nationalism (tribalism) is the greatest enemy of socialism not least because it enables the ruling class to convince the working class that they should murder each other. Zelenski and Putin are killing nobody – it is our own class killing each other. Socialists say f**k all leaders and their interminable quest for power.
‘Socialists should be interested that workers/people are dying and why they are dying.’
They are dying because they are murdering each other in the name of one capitalist regime or another. Hard to put it more clearly.Alien1 – So why should socialists be interested in any of your military expositions? Are you some kind of expert? Whatever happens why should the working class of that area care if they are being exploited by Ukrainian or Russian oligarchs?
The question goes back as to why so many leftist intellectuals continued to support Bolshevism long after the ugly truth was known. I suspect that there was then, and is now, a psychological process of ‘transference’ where, because of the hatred of the society/country into which they’re born, an identification with the declared ‘enemy’ takes place. The hypocrisy and lies of the propaganda of one’s own capitalist culture tends to reinforce this process. It becomes a habit that eventually is able to justify any barbarism of the entity to which the embittered individual identifies.
‘Not one of you is my equal intellectually. I guess I won’t be sharpening my blade much more on this wetstone. Do try harder folks.’
TS -Do you really believe that you’re exceptional in some way? You’re just a run-of-the-mill leftie with a hard-on for Russia. We meet your kind all the time. Recently we had a guy on here who was obsessed with China. For him this one party police state could do no wrong – pathetic really. I doubt if your ego would allow you to admit to the existence of a superior intellect. Anyway if you are merely a troll having fun I must admit to perversely enjoying your nonsense.
This was posted on our local ‘Nextdoor Newsfeed’. Mao and Stalin don’t compare with our late queen – scary.
“I cannot lead you into battle, I do not give you laws or administer justice but I can do something else, I can give you my heart and my devotion.”
‘This quote from the Queen’s 1957 Christmas broadcast sums it all up for me. A life lived so well, before God, with a beautiful mix of duty and devotion. Royal, yet servant-hearted. Regal, yet hard-working. Crowned, yet kind.
In an age where character no longer seems to be king, I’m so grateful that this steadfast, faithful and dedicated follower of Christ was our Queen. I join my voice today to the millions of others mourning the loss of Queen Elizabeth II and celebrating her inspiring legacy. May she rest in peace and rise in glory.’Poor old TS, he must be crying himself to sleep knowing that it looks like the Ukrainians will continue to be exploited by their own oligarchs and not Russian oligarchs.
‘The Russian army was not able to defeat the Taliban and they do not have the military resources to fight against NATO forces in a conventional war’
MS – That maybe why we’re all heading for a nuclear Armageddon. I usually leave this ‘end of the world’ stuff to Alan but I’m a tad concerned.
It’s hard to figure out what’s going on in the Ukraine at the moment. Some reports are that the recent success of the Ukrainian forces is due to the direct involvement of NATO. As a result of this I understand that Russia may declare war on the Ukraine and that all NATO countries will become legitimate targets. Is this just scare mongering or are we all f**ked?
I would be interested to know if any of the membership of the Party were aware of the nature of the holocaust during the war or did knowledge of this horror only emerge after the war? Is it still a matter of debate as to when the ruling classes of the Allied side knew of the death camps?
‘And yes we did take a stand in WW2 against fighting Nazis, as did the Communist Party, at least up to 1941 and Barbarossa. We, however, remained consistent in opposing the war’
Alan – If we had known about the barbarities of the holocaust would we still have opposed the war against the Nazis?
Unfortunately the time of independent war journalists is a thing of the past. We only have ’embedded’ journalists who only get to see what their respective militaries want them to see. Many of them are merely cowards who are holed up in the bars of Kiev hotels being fed propaganda by the pentagon – I’m sure much the same can be said of Russian journalists.
‘I am the elitist, you expect socialism to come about thanks to historians (academics).’
Historians (academics) are not an alien race but a part of our class and, as I said, can contribute to the struggle. There are countless examples of historians debunking the ideological claims used as explanations for events. In fact that seems to be their main contribution. Being ridiculed by a student union paper is a badge of pride – I know this because, living in Cambridge, I am only too painfully aware of their political ignorance. The intelligentsia are just as vulnerable to the 24/7 propaganda of our culture as is any other member of our class. There are, in my experience, very few people who are not interested in some area of ‘academic’ knowledge. However, in our culture, you have to catch them outside of their peer groups. I don’t think that this is the main reason we don’t appeal to many though as the reason for that has been recognized and understood for many years by the Frankfurt school. What they couldn’t answer is what to do about it.
