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Left winning election in Spain
The Far Right, Vox Party, was initially projected to get more seats – 30-35 – than it actually did (24) which is comforting in a small way. This organisation primarily emerged out of, and in response to , Catalunya’s attempt to secede from Spain. All those naïve Leftists who supported Catalan nationalism as some sort of “progressive! movement should be hanging their heads in shame. By their actions they paved the way for a revival of the Spanish Far right and its distinctly fascist tendencies.
All nationalism, be it or the Left or the Right, is fundamentally reactionary . As old Charlie Marx, the workers have no country, they have a world to win
I wish members would check the source of some of the stuff they put up here. The author of the link above, Frances Leader, is a conspiracy theorist and anti-Semite. This is clear from the link itself.
Hi Adam, I wasn’t endorsing what Frances Leader says nor should it be construed as such. I was just posting it out of interest and to prompt comment Oddly enough she has some vocal supporters on my local FB Group here in Spain and there is a furious row raging between them and supporters of ER at the moment The information you have provided will be very useful from that point of view
Hi Darren
No I wasn’t saying Stefan’s website should be listed AS the main website but rather ALONGSIDE the main website. I think – though I may have misunderstood something – that he is sort of suggesting that the whatissocialism,net site become a Party website along with the WSPUS website, meaning no longer a personal website strictly speaking. The idea being that each would have a somewhat different focus. Perhaps this needs clarifying. It could work out in my view if one focussed on the planned new public forum as well as youtube facility and the other on articles etc with each website closely linked to the other, But that’s up to you guys to decide….
Robbo -“It would also be useful to provide a direct link to the WSPUS”
It did link to their website if you clicked underlined “Workers Socialist Party of the United States (WSPUS) ”Ah OK fair enough Alan, I was thinking of the link to the World Socialist Movement which when you click on it comes up as “temporarily unavailable”. Perhaps we should scrap that link because it doesn’t create a good impression. Its probably better to link to the “contacts page” on this site…
Another somewhat negative take on ER but again it is difficult to make generalisations….
Hi Alan . Just a minor point but I think you need to be careful about the links you provide to the WSM which in this case seem to have been old links relating to the time when the website crashed, It would also be useful to provide a direct link to the WSPUS which is due for a major overhaul as well as the US-based http://www.whatissocialism.net/
I don’t go to work with the red shirt/flag, but I talk about the social- it is in those personal connections, networks and whisper campaigns that socialism becomes effective- as well as others seeing our values alloy with our behaviors…
Very well put LB ! You might be interested in this project
Oh dear , this doesn’t sound too good: ER a capitalist scam?
Marcos, a lot of things have happened recently in the WSPUS which you might not be aware. A new application for membership was I believe accepted just yesterday and there are several more in the pipeline. Plans are being made to recommence publishing literature , embark on extensive publicity and advertising and to revamp with website with fresh material and a forum facility. Jordan is going to be producing videos for the Party as well which I really looking forward to seeing. There are lots things going on and we need to support them
You need to get involved in the WSPUS again as the link with Spanish speaking workers just as the Canadian Party does with French speaking workers
Would it be possible to include on the election leaflet details of the 3 month free trial offer of the Socialist Standard? Might as well get some publicity in.
Hi James
Yes I can along with what you say. My thoughts on this subject of how we ought to approach the Brexit debate are influenced by something that Alan and others have said – that many workers voted Leave not just as some racist cum nationalistic reflex but also as a protest against the austerity measures enacted by recent governments in this era of neoliberalism. There is a kind of naïve simplistic association between the EU as a formation operating in the interests of Big Business and these austerity measures enacted by governments at the behest of Big Business. As if these austerity measures would not be enacted were the UK not in the EU!
Big Business and neoliberal austerity measures would continue to apply whether or not the UK remained in the EU or left and most certainly in the case of the much touted trade deals with the US and US based corporations which the Brexiteers are hoping will materialise. These corporations will demand their pound of flesh in the form of pushing back workers rights and cutting wages. Of that we can be certain
This is perhaps an approach worth pursuing because there are a lot of gullible leftists who fallen for the lie that some how for the UK to leave Europe would represent some sort of step forward for democracy – “reclaiming our country” – and further the interests of “British workers”.
Such talk is delusional
Would be good to discuss ways of propagating this message, as I think the conditions are ripe for its uptake
Do you have any thoughts on this yourself, James, to kick off the discussion?
“Make ‘Leaving Europe’ irrelevant – Let’s Leave Capitalism!”
“Stuff Europe, Stuff Britain – there’s nothing for the Workers to gain”
“Capital-exit, not Brexit’
“Brexit or Bremain – Capitalism is still the same”
Another stiff whiskey to get the creative juices flowing and I will try and come up with a few more …LOL
