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“I did no such thing. Russia’s war aims were made known at the very beginning of the conflict and have remained unchanged.”
You are squirming out of the question again. To repeat – the question is if Russia’s war aims were to protect Donbas how come Russian troops were to be found on the outskirts of Kyiv? How is this not a case of militaristic imperialism?
_______________________“Lol, I’ve been hearing for months that Russia’s running out of missiles. The largest barrage yet hit just yesterday. Russia is not running out of weapons. It has been preparing for this conflict since 2012.”
Russia Finally Admits Weapons Shortage in Ukraine War
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“There is no evidence supporting your statements. The Russian economy is actually improving.”The Russian economy is shrinking
According to independent analysis by the World Bank, International Monetary Fund and The Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD), 2022 will be a bad year for the Russian economy. Gross Domestic Product (GDP) is expected to drop by at least 5.5% in the best scenario to almost 9% in the worst scenario.https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/infographics/impact-sanctions-russian-economy/#:~:text=The%20Russian%20economy%20is%20shrinking,year%20for%20the%20Russian%20economy.
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“Depends on which propaganda you choose to believe in. Ukrainian sources believe Russian fatalities are approaching 100,000, The truth is probably somewhere in between”
No, the truth is not somewhere in between. Even the BBC admits Russian losses are low. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-61987945The BBC report you refer to is dated 1 July so the figures in it relate to June at the latest. In case you were not aware it is now late November. The same source you use – the BBC – now reports that there have been 100,000 Russian soldiers killed (10 Nov) roughly the same as the number of Ukrainian soldiers killed
“Erm, it’s spelled “truly”. Truly priceless! Lol”
Fair do’s. We all make spelling mistakes but if you think that is, erm, “truly priceless” then that makes you truly desperate as well. Talk about scraping the bottom of the barrel when it comes to point scoring. LOL
“Russia’s effective military expenditure actually ranged between $150 billion and $180 billion annually over the last five years.”
You make it sound like that is something to be proud of – investing in the killing industry. But I guess that is something to be expected of someone with a capitalist mindset and who supports an authoritarian capitalist regime like the Russian regime
But as it happens Russia’s military spending is less than a quarter of American military spending and yet you come out with daft claims about NATO’s arsenals being depleted by the war in Ukraine,
Do you seriously imagine America’s military-industrial complex – vastly larger than Russia’s – cannot continue to supply Ukraine with weapons for as long as it takes? This is to say nothing of the armaments industries of other NATO countries
Truely Stupid,
“I’m an internationalist but I recognise the right of a nation state to sovereignty as laid out in the UN system. Nothing to do with capitalism”
So you endorse the concept of the nation-state, an integral feature of capitalism’s institutional architecture, Hence you endorse capitalism
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“national sovereignty” is something to be valued!).”
It is. Without it the imperialists and hegemons will be either interfering with or outright invading you. Perhaps you enjoy being interfered with. Most people don’t.”
To repeat, all nation-states are latently or manifestly imperialist. Imperialism is an expression of capitalism and capitalism is global. The capitalist regime of Putin that you bootlick for has just engaged in an act of blatant or manifest imperialism with its invasion of Ukraine on the spurious pretext of denazifying Ukraine. There are, of course, some nazis in Ukraine (a minority) just as there are some nazis in Russia (even if not by name) but that is not the real reason why capitalist states like Russia go to war
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And you previously poured scorn on the concept of Marxian socialism”No, only on your twisted, inchoate interpretation of it.”
Care to explain what is “twisted” or “inchoate” about the Marxian definition of socialism as a stateless non market alternative to capitalism, eh???? It’s like you are just inclined to regurgitate any old unsubstantiated drivel that first enters your mind without a second thought. You are the consummate muddlehead
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“Russia is not imperialist. It is fighting against NATO’s imperialism. And it is winning. And that is good.”LOL Russian imperialism has just ceded ground to NATO imperialism in Kherson and elsewhere and this is what you call “winning”
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“Lol, it’s pretty obvious now why your “party” only has half a dozen members.”Please try not to come across as even more stupid than you are. The vast majority of members are not even on this forum
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“Russia is helping to create a new way of economic development through BRICS+ and partnering up with the Belt and Road initiative as well as developing many other multilateral institutions free of western imperial dominance. Win-win outcomes are the model not imperialist exploitation.”Gawd you are so gullible. Do you seriously imagine BRICS is some kind of benign non-capitalist initiative? “Win-win outcomes” is the language of smart-suited business executives trying to sell you something while being intent upon ripping you off behind your back. Do you seriously imagine the participants in so-called BRICS are not just as rapaciously capitalist as any other economic bloc in capitalism?
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“-You framed Russia’s actions re Kiev as failed. You cannot fail in an attempt if no attempt is made. You get that right?”I said it was an assault. I realise that you are a sandwich or two short of picnic but I tried to explain that a military assault on Kiev or elsewhere, whether or not the intention was to capture the city, was an expression of manifest imperialism. Your argument was that the actions of the Russian capitalist regime were justified because it was intent on “defending Donbas”, Well if so why did it not confine its military presence to Donbas rather than venture as far as the outskirts of Kiev. As per usual you squirmed out of answering that question
———————————-“Russia is fighting a war of annihilation against the Ukrainian military. Territory is not important, grinding the enemy down is. If it can achieve this aim from the left bank or the right bank of the Dnieper it doesn’t amount to a hill of beans. And once the Russian reserves are mobilised and the ground hardened offensives will begin that will, as sure as night follows day, eventually take back Kherson”
I cannot predict the outcome of the war but at the moment it appears that both sides are being ground down and many of your “grounded hardened” Russian squaddies – poor sods – are surrendering in their thousands and feeling distinctly disinclined to fight Putin’s war. I don’t blame them
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“NATO countries are voluntarily deindustrialising, their leaders have shot themselves in the lungs by refusing Russian hydrocarbons. NATO’s arsenals are already sorely depleted thanks to aid to Ukraine. Nato’s armies haven’t fought anything but tribesmen in decades. NATO is a paper tiger and the whole world can see that now.”Gawd, TS- what’s it like living in a little make-believe world all on your own? American military spending alone exceeds that of China, Russia, India, France, Germany and the UK combined, FFS. Its military-industrial complex must be rubbing its hands in glee at the thought of all that extra weaponry required and will have no problem meeting the demand. Russia’s military-industrial complex is by comparison tiny. There is no way it can match the combined manufacturing capacity of the NATO countries. If anyone’s arsenals are being depleted it is Russia’s. It’s little wonder it’s relying on North Korea and Iran for military support. As for your talk of Nato’s armies not having fought anything but tribesmen in decades, it was Afghan tribesmen that routed the Russian army if you recall
———————–“Two months ago it was up to almost 6,000. Ukraine at least ten times that though probably significantly more.
“How much Russian equipment has been destroyed or simply captured by the Ukrainian forces?”
Depends on which propaganda you choose to believe in. Ukrainian sources believe Russian fatalities are approaching 100,000, The truth is probably somewhere in between
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“Russia’s economy is huge and China has it’s back. It’s struggle is existential so it will make sacrifices. But the rouble is stable, inflation is falling and supermarket shelves are well stocked.”
“Huge” is a relative term. The Russian economy has not collapsed but there is no doubt that it is suffering as a result of sanctions and that things are going to get progressively worse the longer the war drags on. As for China – well China has got Russia over a barrel (no pun intended) and has been able to purchase Russian oil and gas at a steep discount rate. Capitalist competition does not cease between capitalist countries just because they appear to be friendly toward each other
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“I support the struggle against Nazism and western hegemony as should you.”
You don’t. All you support is the struggle of one authoritarian capitalist regime against another authoritarian capitalist regime. You have no objection to either authoritarianism or capitalism as such
The British people ‘just got a lot poorer’, says IFS thinktank
“In a separate assessment, the Resolution Foundation said the outlook for living standards was “truly grim”. The weak forecast for pay and high inflation, means that wages “will not return to their 2008 level until 2027”.
Had wages grown at the same rate as before the great financial crisis in 2008, they would be £15,000 a year higher. There has been a “19-year pay downturn” the thinktank said.”
also this
next-two-years-will-be-challenging-says-chancellor-as-disposable-incomes-head-for-biggest-fall-on-recordYeah, I have chosen a side I wish to win, the side fighting the Nazis directly and Natostani imperialism indirectly, as all socialists should. Nowhere have I endorsed capitalism.
———————————————-You don’t need to say “I support capitalism” in order to support capitalism. You support capitalism because you thoroughly endorse its supporting ideology of nationalism as well as a key piece of its institutional architecture – the nation-state (you think “national sovereignty” is something to be valued!). And you previously poured scorn on the concept of Marxian socialism: a non-market stateless alternative to capitalism.
As previously explained you have no understanding of imperialism whatsoever. As a gullible right-wing supporter of Russian imperialism, you have that in common with naive leftists with their gibberish about “national liberation struggles”. Imperialism is not limited to overt military conquest. It is an expression of capitalism’s expansionist dynamic and since capitalism is global so is every part of the world, imperialist – latently or manifestly. Imperialism is hardwired into the very nature of the modern capitalist nation-state. Russia is no less imperialist than the US for example even if it is not as successful as an imperialist power as the US
_____________________________________________“LOL, you think Russia tried to take a city of 3 million with 30 thousand troops? What’s a word to describe someone whose stupider than a person lobotomosed?”
Look up the word “assault”, [insult removed by moderator].
Here, since you give a passable impression of being as thick as shite, I will help you with a definition randomly lifted from the interent: “Assault is generally defined as an intentional act that puts another person in reasonable apprehension of imminent harmful or offensive contact.”
You don’t need to intend to capture a city of 3 million in order to “assault” it. Geddit?
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“Right, and all those tens of bilions of dollars of weapons NATO countries have sent to Ukraine, what happened to them? Oh that’s right, Russia destroyed them all.”Seriously? So the Russian military should have no problem strolling back into Kherson tomorrow in that case since it would have no reason to expect any military resistance. You are such a clown, TS
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“Defence spending in NATO countries is on the up as well.”
“More shit for Russia to destroy. Whose gonna tire of that equation first?”
Do you seriously imagine Russia’s capacity to manufacture advanced modern weaponry is greater than that of the NATO countries combined? You are living in a dream world TS.
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“If any country is being shredded militarily and economically apart from Ukraine it is Russia itself”A Robotomised Guardian Brah would think that. Meanwhile, in the real world…”
How many Russian soldiers do you think have been killed or wounded in this war, TS? How much Russian equipment has been destroyed or simply captured by the Ukrainian forces? Do you seriously imagine the Russian economy is not being seriously impacted by this war? What do you imagine the “real world” is outside of your little bubble, eh?
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“Evidently more than you. I know one of its adherents’ major tenets is solidarity. You have none with socialists anywhere in the world. It’s why your “party” is, and will always remain, irrelevant.”Drivel as usual. The comrades in the Azov battalion in Ukraine no doubt exhibit “solidarity” toward each other and by your pisspoor line of reasoning must therefore be considered as putting into effect a major tenet of “socialism”. Why don’t you trot off and join the Azov comrades in that case? You are the consummate muddlehead
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“I’m not a fan of authoritarianism”
But you have no problem supporting a thoroughly obnoxious authoritarian capitalist regime in its war against another equally obnoxious authoritarian capitalist regime. Logic was never your strong suite was it, TS?
Putin surely rivals Zelensky as the consummate opportunist capitalist politician
“Oh, that’s interesting. As I’ve no recollection of ever having done so, do quote my endorsement of capitalism. I have all year.”
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LOL You have unequivocally taken the side of the Russian capitalist regime in this dispute. That speaks for itself. Socialists don’t take sides in capitalist disputes. And you have made abundantly clear your disdain for Marxian socialism————————————–
“if that was the case why did the Russian military not simply enter Donbas to “protect” it and go no further?”Because the only way to protect Donbas is to defeat Ukraine militarily.
————————————Evasion. If the Putin capitalist regime wanted to “protect Donbas” why did it not simply station its troops in Donbas and go no further than the Donbas? All you are doing is desperately thrashing around trying to concoct some contrived reason for justifying Russian imperialism. Call a spade a spade
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“Why attempt a doomed assault on Kyiv?”
There was no assault on Kiev.
———————————Oh? You could have fooled me. Perhaps you haven’t been following the news. Perhaps like sleeping beauty, you have fallen into a deep sleep for most of the year https://www.dw.com/en/ukraine-kyiv-fights-back-against-russian-assault/g-60930036
oh and by the way what are the missiles raining down on Kiev and other Ukrainian cities recently if not an “assault”?
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“The authoritarian capitalist regime of Putin blundered badly in its imperialist designs on Ukraine.”All government is by definition authoritarian. Civilization cannot exist without a measure of authoritarianism. Only those with no understanding of how the world actually operates believe otherwise. That aside, Russia is shredding Ukraine’s military and demilitarising NATO. Explain to me how that is a blunder?
————————————————————LOL So much ignorance packed in so small a space! Demilitarising NATO? Gawd you are such a clown, TS. NATO has been MASSIVELY reinforced and bolstered thanks to Russia’s imperialist actions in Ukraine and its membership is set to expand too. Defence spending in NATO countries is on the up as well. If any country is being shredded militarily and economically apart from Ukraine it is Russia itself thanks to the decisions of your beloved hero, Mr Putin, whose books you adoringly lick like some besotted puppy. As for your point about government being authoritarian – yes that’s quite true. Or as Marx put it the state is inseparable from a condition of slavery and its very existence implies the existence of a ruling class. You might happily endorse the idea of a ruling class but socialists dont
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“You’re not socialists. You’re posers.”
———————————-Again. LOL. You haven’t got a clue about socialism, have you? So you are in no position to comment. But then right-wing fascists like yourself, endorsing an authoritarian capitalist regime such as exists in Russia (and equally in Ukraine) tend to be pretty clueless on this subject. Tell me TS do you exude the same feeling of warm sympathy and kindred spirit for other authoritarian figures such as Mr Trump as you do towards Mr Putin seeing as you are such a fan of authoritarianism? I’m just curious….
“When was Russia invaded? When was there any attack on Russia?”
When Donbass was recognised as independent it sought protection from Russia against Ukrainian agression.
__________________________________________Well from the capitalist perspective that TS endorses, if that was the case why did the Russian military not simply enter Donbas to “protect” it and go no further? Why attempt a doomed assault on Kyiv? The authoritarian capitalist regime of Putin blundered badly in its imperialist designs on Ukraine.
Not that we socialists care two hoots about the capitalist concept of the nation-state or so-called “national liberation”, mind you, even if a rabid anti-socialist right winger like TS evidently does
“Zelensky does nothing but lie. He’s been lying since he came into office. Since when has he paid a price? ”
——————————————BOTH sides lie but unlike bootlickers of the Putin capitalist regime like you, we socialists don’t fall for the lies of just one side. We condemn both
“Surely to bring pressure on NATO to intervene militarily.”
In which case Zelinsky has overreached himself and has shot himself in the foot by lying. It just goes to reinforce the point constantly made by socialists here- you cannot believe the propaganda emanating from either side in this sordid capitalist conflict. A plague on both their houses!
“Russia is helping to usher in a new, multipolar, anti-imperialist world order.”
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Absolute BS. TS does not know what imperialism is. What we are seeing is simply the slight reconfiguration of the imperialist world order with American imperialism standing to lose ground to Chinese imperialism. Capitalism is global. Imperialism is simply the political and economic expression of capitalism’s grow-or-die expansionist dynamic. Every corner of this capitalist world is latently or manifestly imperialist because every part of the world is capitalist“In June 1966 all teaching stopped in Chinese schools. Instead, pupils had to gaze at a portrait of Mao every day.”
—————————————————Came across this. Confirms the impression of Maoism as a mass religious cult. How anyone can fall for that BS is hard to fathom….
“More than 1 million schools and China’s 43 universities at the time were made to stop classes in 1966, soon after Nie’s poster. Schools reopened only in 1969, and colleges in 1970. A total of 107 million school students and 534,000 college students were impacted, according to Julia Kwong, professor of sociology at the University of Manitoba in Canada and author of the book Cultural Revolution in China’s Schools, May 1966–April 1969. Then, as now, China had the world’s largest education system.
“The Cultural Revolution has to be one of the biggest disruptions to education in the modern world … anywhere,” says Albert Park, professor of economics, social science and public policy at the Hong Kong University of Science and Technology.”
Interesting this – the circumstances surrounding the murder of the Wagner group recruit and ex-convict, Nuzhin. Goes to show you can’t trust the propaganda of either side in this stupid pointless capitalist conflict…..
https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-did-kyiv-exchange-wagner-pmc-ex-con-beaten-death-russia-1759703
“Missile that hit Poland is unlikely to have been fired from Russia, Biden says”
For once Biden appears to be talking sense. Why would capitalist Russia want to widen the war against it? Same with the Nordstream pipeline incident. How would Russia have benefitted from it? We can’t believe the propaganda from western sources any more than we can believe the propaganda from Russian sources
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