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“It is now all or nothing for BOTH sides.”
But only one side is equipped to win. Russia. Its victory is a certainty.
__________________________________“Victory” for Russia in that case (if their military is lucky) means simply hanging on to most of Donbas and Crimea. That is the most probable outcome leading to ceasefire talks and possibly the formal recognition of the break-up of Ukraine along these lines. It looks like stalemate in military terms is the increasingly likely scenario and Ukraine’s momentum in recapturing lost territory is going to slow down…
Tens of thousands of working-class lives will have been lost fighting for one repugnant capitalist regime (and its backers) against the other – not that a rabidly anti working-class nationalist like TS cares a fig about the interests of workers in this sickening capitalist conflict
“That is not what “demilitarisation” means”
Er yeah, it does. Third of US Stingers gone. Third of US Javelins gone. Third of HIMARS missiles gone. Third of Ukraine proxy warriors gone. M777s gone. See a pattern?
___________________________Don’t be daft. The loss of some military equipment does NOT equate with “demilitarisation” or is the English language not your mother tongue? Of course, weapons supplied by NATO countries have been lost. That is the nature of war. Weapons get destroyed. Duh. I notice you say nothing about the massive amounts of Russian weaponry that have also been destroyed or captured. According to your daft logic Russia too is undergoing “demilitarisation”
The fact remains that NATO militarily speaking is vastly superior to the Russian in terms of manpower and most other criteria you care to mention. Only a deluded fool would deny this. And thanks to the Putin regime’s imperialistic invasion of Ukraine military spending is going to rise in the future, not decline
Yet more evidence of NATOstani demilitarisation.
https://www.ft.com/content/a781fb71-49bb-4052-ab05-a87386bf3d5e
______________________________________________That is not what “demilitarisation” means
NATO countries many be experiencing supply problems for the moment in meeting Ukraine’s military needs, but you can bet your bottom dollar that military expenditures will be rising everywhere thanks to the capitalist Putin regime’s imperialistic gamble on invading Ukraine. Even so NATO has not demilitarised. Only a fantasist can believe that. NATO’S current military strength vastly exceeds that of Russia’s. It has approximately 3.37 million active military personnel compared with 1.35 million active military personnel in the Russian military and the former are better equipped and trained
I know Daily Express articles are no more reliable as a source of news than the dodgy sources TS relies on to justify his support for the capitalist regime in Russia and its imperialistic adventurism but if this is true then this is good news. Let’s hope the same is happening in Ukraine and Ukrainian workers abandon their military as well!
“What is fake? That there was a leaked report from the Kremlin or that what that report said is fake.”
Both.
_________________And your evidence is….?
“Support in Russia for the war has fallen dramatically according to a leaked report from the Kremlin.”
Fake news.
_______________What is fake? That there was a leaked report from the Kremlin or that what that report said is fake.
At any rate, it doesn’t alter the fact that more workers in both Russia and Ukraine rejecting this sordid capitalist war is good news
“Now, are you claiming that NATO nations can be defined as Nazi, as well?”
I didn’t say that. Just that NATOstan is allied to the Kiev Nazis. You didn’t notice?
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If the Ukrainian capitalist regime is Nazi then so is the Russian capitalist regime. Neither of them calls themselves Nazi but they are both authoritarian repressive right-wing oligarchies. If you are going to play around with words then at least be consistent. Your problem is you haven’t got a clue what Nazi means. For you, it’s just a convenient swearword to label what you perceive to be an enemySupport in Russia for the war has fallen dramatically according to a leaked report from the Kremlin. Let’s hope this is true and that the same thing is happening in Ukraine. Workers dying for the cause of their capitalist masters is an utterly depressing thought
“NATOstani/Nazi aggression” ???
You claim Ukraine can be labelled Nazi. Now, are you claiming that NATO nations can be defined as Nazi, as well?
_____________________________________________Well Alan if NATO nations are defined as Nazi by our resident fantasist then VERY DEFINITELY imperialist Russia would qualify as a Nazi state as well and TS, as a nazi sympathiser. That would not be surprising given TS’s far right, nationalistic and rabidly anti-working class (he wants workers to die for his preferred capitalist regime) outlook
“(Yawn). Russia is not imperialist.”
(Yawn) imperialism is a symptom of capitalism and it’s expansionist accumulative dynamic. All capitalist states – and Russia is a capitalist state – are latently or manifestly imperialistic in that sense. Russian capitalism is manifestly imperialistic in its military invasion of Ukraine and its clear desire to acquire new territories
“Lol, you forget about that ocean that needs crossing? The ports where the equipment must be unloaded? If it came to such a conflict all those ports would be vaporised, all that hardware sitting at the bottom of the ocean.”
You’ve been chomping on your magic mushrooms and riding your magic unicorn again? The mighty Russian military is struggling against Ukraine as it is and retreating on several fronts. How do you imagine it would fare against the combined might of NATO even without the yanks? If European ports can be vaporized so can Russian ports, Russian tanks, Russian missile systems etc etc etc, and on a much larger scale Or in your fantasy view of the world do you imagine these things are impregnable? Of course, a conventional war with NATO is most unlikely because if it did happen it would likely escalate into a nuclear conflict in which case we would all be vaporised. And imbecilic nationalist warmongers cheering on one side or the other, like yourself, will be to blame
“We are discussing this because there is a threat of a direct military conflict between NATO and Russia.”
Yes and only a nationalist and rabid supporter of capitalism like you would actually choose to support one capitalist side against the other in this conflict. You are no better than the liberals you say you oppose
“Anyone with half a brain welcomes the defeat of Nazism and imperialism. Maybe the lobotomy was a bit too vigorous.”
Except that this conflict has got sod all to do with the “defeat of Nazism”. If Ukraine is a Nazi regime then so too is Russia in de facto terms! There is nothing to choose between them of any substance, apart from the labels. All capitalist states need to concoct some ideological pretext or excuse for engaging in a war with a rival capitalist state in order to advance their own material interests. The Putin regime invented the pretext of “denazification” to justify its imperialist invasion of Ukraine. In reality, it is a mirror image of Ukraine in being a right-wing repressive corrupt authoritarian regime that muzzles its opponents and attacks basic democratic freedoms
Talking of Starlight, the rainbow unicorn, lets not get carried with ridiculous fantasies. If it came to a conventional war NATO Imperialism would easily defeat Russian imperialism. Hell, the American capitalist regime has more than enough firepower on its own to defeat the Russian capitalist regime, never mind the combined power of its NATO partners – this regardless of whatever temporary difficulties it might have in supplying its proxy, Ukraine, with enough weapons to defeat the Russian military
But why are we even discussing this? There is nothing to be proud of about a country’s relative military prowess. Only a sick nationalist can glory in some capitalist regime’s ability to murder thousands of workers on the “other side”
“NATO deindustrialisation.”
While we are arguing the toss over which capitalist bloc has the greater manufacturing capacity to sustain the killing spree in Ukraine – NATO/Ukraine or Russia and its allies – the main point is being lost sight of
The Russian capitalist regime, because of its imperialist invasion of Ukraine, has triggered a war in which thousands of working-class lives have already been lost and unimaginable quantities of resources have been wasted – and for what? For some sordid capitalist struggle over whose strategic interests should prevail over some patch of land called “Ukraine”
Of course NATO and its proxy Ukraine are no less culpable. But anyone who imagines that “NATO deindustrialization” is not going to lead to NATO rearmament and stepped-up defense spending – and therefore yet more resources diverted away from schools, hospitals, and the like – is living in cloud cuckoo land
The stockpiles of weapons produced by the mass murder industries of both these capitalist blocs have been seriously depleted. But it strikes me as being almost obscene, not to say utterly irrelevant, talking about which bloc is better able to continue this stupid senseless capitalist conflict. It is completely missing the point – that whoever “wins” this war it is the workers of the world (and not just those residing in those arbitrary capitalist entities called “Russia” and “Ukraine”) who will have lost
Very useful video on the economic woes and impending crisis of Chinese capitalism
https://www.facebook.com/ColdFusionTV/videos/546950273464297
So much for TS’s claim that there is freedom of speech inside capitalist Russia. There is precious little to choose between this regime and the equally repugnant, repressive, and right-wing regime in Ukraine
“You’re liberals because you say you support workers but that’s the extent of your concern. You don’t actually do anything. In fact you oppose the only people who do try to build a workers’ state.”
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LOL TS. This is plumbing new depths of dumbness. Since when do liberals support the workers against capitalists? Since when do Liberals even acknowledge the existence of a class struggle?
You are no different from the liberals in that regard. Like the liberals, you endorse the nationalist myth that the workers and capitalists have a common interest in the guise of something called the national interest that supersedes and overrides class interests
As a bootlicking supporter of the capitalist warlord, Putin, you are the one supporting the idea that workers should lay their lives on the line in support of Russian capitalism. Laughably, you rebuke us socialists for opposing what you say is the “only people who do try to build a workers’ state”.”
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
That really made my day! Imagine that? An economic parasite like Putin and his super-rich cronies intent on building a, erm, “workers’ state”. You live in cloud cuckoo land, TS You truly have completely lost the plot
