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“Another seldom heard view – War Weary Russia”
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What Kagarlitsky says is very interesting and I would far sooner trust him as a source of information than the mixed bag of dodgy commentators TS wheels out to support his outlandish claims. Russia is indeed losing the war and will be lucky to hold onto Donbas and Crimea. Thankfully it seems more and more Russian workers are turning against the war and hopefully that will soon precipitate a collapse of the regime. There is some talk of Putin seeking safe passage to Venezuela if he is booted out. Lots of Russians already live there.
More concerning is the attitude of Ukrainian workers. Kagarlitsky refers to extreme nationalist elements emerging calling for Ukraine to carry on the fight and take all of Donbas and the Crimea too. This is criminally insane. I hope these ultra-nationalist Ukrainian ideas start losing ground as well. How many more workers have to die in the obnoxious cause of Ukrainian nationalism before workers realize it makes sod all difference who their political masters are or what flag they wrap themselves up in?
I still think the most likely outcome is a stalemate. Russia will probably hold on to Donbas and Crimea, and the general public in Ukraine will grow weary of power blackouts and missile strikes and call for negotiations. A negotiated settlement will be reached maybe involving Turkey or China.
This whole stupid senseless capitalist war will have been for nothing. NATO would have expanded its sphere of influence right up to the borders with Russia and the Ukrainian Nazis, as TS calls them, would have been solidified and strengthened by Putin’s gross miscalculation.
The real losers, as ever, would be the workers themselves – whether they live in Russia or Ukraine. They would have been the real victims of this horrendous clash of capitalist imperialisms.
“Anti-imperialist analysis is bizarre to you? Why am I not surprised?”
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hahahahahahahaWhat is truly bizarre is that an overt supporter of blatant Russian imperialism and a bootlicker of a thuggish capitalist warlord like Putin should even have the audacity to claim to be an “anti-imperialist”! He is completely lost in a little make-believe world of his own making, detached from reality and from any sensible understanding of the meaning of words. I tell you – he could just as easily swap sides with a snap of the fingers and become a craven supporter of the Ukrainian war-lord Zelensky. It’s not much of a jump in intellectual terms. They are all cut from the same cloth these far-right nationalists and the emotional fragility of this mental disease called nationalism makes them vulnerable to Damascene conversions
“Not a chance. The Russians won’t be giving up any territory. Ukraine has lost it for good. To the victor goes the spoils.”
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Spoken like a true imperialist! TS (or should he now be called TI for True Imperialist) cannot help himself. The disgusting subtext of his craven support for a capitalist warlord like Putin seeps out like toxic waste from a sewage drain. He couldn’t care a toss about the lives of workers lost on both sides in this stupid senseless war. It’s just a game of chess to him
“How a Russian liberal learned to support the SMO.”
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Liberals have got sod all to do with a socialist class-conscious opposition to nationalism and capitalism. So what’s your point in even mentioning this? Liberals support capitalism and are therefore vulnerable to an ideology that lures them into becoming a dupe – just like you! – supporting one capitalist warlord against another
Erm, no. Kiev is fascist, Moscow is not. To suggest otherwise reveals your true self: a cross-eyed, foaming at the mouth, tin foil
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Truly Boring is at it again. Nothing like trying to wriggle yourself out of that corner you have painted yourself in with a splash of colourful insult, eh?
For the record TS and I appreciate that the two or three brain cells that constitute your functioning neocortex, the MSM is essentially capitalist and ubiquitous and, in the context of this war, pro-Ukraine. In case that tiny organ that you call your brain has not grasped the point no socialist here has ever been pro-Ukraine any more than we are pro-Russia. We certainly don’t beat the war drum for anyone (unlike you our resident Putin bootlicker), We have consistently argued that the workers on both “sides” of this capitalist conflict have no interest whatsoever in fighting the cause of their respective capitalist warlords.
Name a single media outlet in the MSM spectrum that puts across this unique class-conscious anti-nationalist position of ours! You can’t can you? Selectively quoting from the MSM as we do (and as you do too!) is unavoidable for obvious reasons short of going to Ukraine yourself and doing some fact-checking on the ground yourself But at least we don’t rely on far-right conspiracy sites for our information as you do…
And finally, I repeat the point – if Kiew is fascist then so is Moscow and so are you! That would make you a Nazi foaming at the mouth in your lust to overthrow another Nazi regime. Not very consistent in the application of your ideological beliefs, are you?
Like I said before I don’t believe either Ukraine or Russia is a Nazi regime though they are definitely both repressive corrupt right-wing capitalist oligarchies that muzzle their opponents and crush free speech. But flinging around swearwords like “Nazi” without really even understanding what these words mean is rather like a kid hurling abuse at another kid in the school playground.
It is pretty obvious what Putin is trying to do in talking about “denazifying” Ukraine. He is trying to draw on the wartime associations of the german Nazi invasion of Russia and the bitter memories that still evokes in order to justify his own little imperialist gamble by invading Ukraine. And you, ever the useful idiot fall for it, hook line and sinker. How pathetic
Erm, no. Kiev is fascist, Moscow is not. To suggest otherwise reveals your true self: a cross-eyed, foaming at the mouth, tin foil
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This is the same dumb dreary argument you come out with time and time again. If Kyiv is fascist then so is Moscow! There is precious little to use to choose between these regimes – they are both far-right, repressive, authoritarian, capitalist oligarchies that outlaw dissent and muzzle political opponents.
It’s a case of pot calling the kettle black. Kyiv does not claim to be a fascist regime, of course – it asserts that it is part of the so-called democratic West defying a tyrant in the guise of Putin – so on what basis do you claim it is?? The fact that there are some self-identifying fascists in Ukraine (a distinct minority)? But there are also some self-identifying fascists in Russia as well, aren’t there?
It seems you are too stupid to be able to look beyond the labels – what people call themselves or what others chose to call them -and look at how regimes actually behave in practice. In practice, there is very little to differentiate these two capitalist regimes, one of which you avidly support as a far-right apologist for capitalism yourself
“At the same time, the Kremlin’s growing cooperation with the far-right parties across Europe”
Fake news debunked years ago. You must do better with your NATOstani propaganda Lobotomy.
https://www.insider.com/russia-infiltration-of-europe-far-right-is-a-myth-2015-2
_______________________________________I tried your link, TS, but that particular page was not available. I did search for other articles on the same site on a similar theme and came across this. So, just in case you shout “fake news” which is your usual response to any argument put to you, it is from the same site that you yourself endorsed
https://www.businessinsider.com/how-russia-stokes-right-wing-extremism-in-the-west-2021-1
It confirms everything I have said. There is a natural affinity between the Putin capitalist regime and the far right. I am not surprised that someone like yourself with your own quasi-fascist ultra-nationalist and vehemently pro-capitalist views should look up to and admire an authoritarian “strongman” figurehead like Putin. The irony is that the Zelensky regime is in precisely the same camp, ideologically speaking – a corrupt, authoritarian far-right regime. It wouldn’t take much for you to suddenly switch sides and start calling the Russians, “Nazis”
TS – “Workers absolutely do have a vested interest in a Russian victory. It will very likely lead to a collapse of NATO and the eventual creation of a multipolar world free of Washington’s hegemony.”
What utter BS. It will simply mean exchanging one bunch of capitalist exploiters-cum-warlords for another if that. The emancipation of workers does NOT consist in being able to choose which master should rule over them. Implying that it does, means urging workers to accept their status as wage slaves and to live with it. In other words to embrace capitalism. This is precisely what TS does with his obnoxious jingoistic support of Russian capitalism and its far-right regime
“At the same time, the Kremlin’s growing cooperation with the far-right parties across Europe contradicts its vocal antifascist stance, as well as its public disregard for right-wing political forces in the Ukrainian state apparatus. According to the Political Capital Institute, 15 European far-right parties have openly expressed their sympathy towards Russians”
Not surprised. There is little to choose between Russia and Ukraine politically speaking. Both are repressive right-wing regimes. If the one is “fascist” so must the other be….depending on how you define “fascism”, of course
It would seem that this group had links with the right-wing Qanon movement and also sought to establish links with the right-wing Putin regime. Birds of a feather flock together I guess….
Came across the article “Is Russia fascist?” The writer seems to think Russia is a case of “late-stage fascism”. I think he is wrong for the same reason that people like our resident bore, TS, is wrong in calling Ukraine a “Nazi regime”. Both Ukraine and Russia are repressive right-wing capitalist oligarchies and only a gullible idiot could buy such claims that Russia’s imperialistic invasion of Ukraine was driven by the desire to denazify the latter. On the contrary, it was driven by the same old capitalist motives that drive every capitalist conflict – to protect and expand its sphere of influence even to the point of acquiring new territories at the expense of some other capitalist state
The Nazis in Kiev with their NATOstani backers started this war. Russia is only finishing it. Lesson to be learned, don’t start wars.
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BS. Two wrongs don’t make a right. Russia’s invasion was a blatant act of capitalist imperialism. Ukraine did not invade Russia; it was Russia that chose to invade Ukraine and then proceed to annex territories in the manner of an imperialist power. Russia is no less imperialist than the NATO countries that back Ukraine. A plague on both their houses!
“Kharkiv and Kherson are now Russia. Odessa will be. Who said anything about a long-term occupation of Ukraine?”
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And this is guy who imagined that the Putin capitalist regime’s invasion of Russia was not imperialist. Ha! Even on the very narrow definition of “imperialism” as territorial acquisition, the regime qualifies as unquestionably imperialist
“Genuine question – when has your little cabal brought about any social change?”
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Hardly a cabal – look up a dictionary definition of the word! – but in any case, as far as “social change” is concerned, it depends on what you mean the term. The SPGB has been quite open and honest about it. The social change we seek can only be brought if and when the majority want it; we cannot do it for them. There is no “them” and “us” in that regard. The fact that “we” have made no significant headway towards socialism is not just the SPGB’s loss. It is also a loss for workers in general You can mock the SPGB for its lack of progress but it’s your loss too.
As for your precious so-called Labour Party, one thing is certain – that it has done absolutely nothing to bring about change that could lead to a genuinely post capitalist society. On the contrary! Along with the Tories and other capitalist political entities it is a formidable barrier blocking change in that direction. Sure, it has brought about plenty of “changes” but changes that help to fortify and consolidate capitalism.
Is that really what you want?
“It is now all or nothing for BOTH sides.”
But only one side is equipped to win. Russia. Its victory is a certainty.
__________________________________“Victory” for Russia in that case (if their military is lucky) means simply hanging on to most of Donbas and Crimea. That is the most probable outcome leading to ceasefire talks and possibly the formal recognition of the break-up of Ukraine along these lines. It looks like stalemate in military terms is the increasingly likely scenario and Ukraine’s momentum in recapturing lost territory is going to slow down…
Tens of thousands of working-class lives will have been lost fighting for one repugnant capitalist regime (and its backers) against the other – not that a rabidly anti working-class nationalist like TS cares a fig about the interests of workers in this sickening capitalist conflict
