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moderator1 wrote:Vin wrote:So Matt (member of the internet committee ) – as you told me – get this sorted!
The twitter account you are reffering to @worldsocialism has not yet been activated. The David Ike promo must be on a similar named account. Would appreciate a link.
The particular status update is herehttps://twitter.com/WorldSocialism/status/700292260907368448
Yes it would be unfair to dismiss it out of hand but I'm inclined to think it should be at most propaganda of secondary importance as awareness is not the main problem. Anyone else any views? What happened to those anti trident protestors? Did they get arrested?
Quote:Q: It seems to me that the S.P.G.B. must become a larger party before it will attract wide support. Why not do something that will make people sit up and take notice of you?A: Behind your question is the assumption that the correctness of an idea is to be judged by the numbers who hold it. True, the pressing need is for more people to understand Socialism, but experience has taught us to be very suspicious of any suggestion that this may be achieved by any form of stunt or vote-catching. Our objections to this sort of campaigning is not a moral one, but consists in the fact that it hinders rather than helps the spread of socialist understanding. No useful purpose would be served by merely seeking to attract attention, unless it is for a purpose connected with socialist propaganda, and that is our policy at all times.from Socialist Standard 1952 http://socialiststandardmyspace.blogspot.co.uk/2016/02/5-tactics-for-socialists-1952.html
jondwhite wrote:I'm told there was alsothe Moth eaten one – pre-1990s. white lettering on large red square slik. Both the Ashbourne-appropriated 'Missing banner' and the Durham miners <2005 one were replicas of this moth-eaten one.I believe this may be the one used in one of the Trafalgar Square rallies.
Would this be a Keynesian consequence of this open mindedness about 'socialism'?http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-35636893
Quote:US election 2016: Did 'socialism' save this US town?24 February 2016 Last updated at 10:47 GMTAmericans are deeply divided about the role government should play in their lives – but events can sometimes force people to think beyond their traditional political beliefs.Take Linden, a small town in rural Tennessee. It's a staunchly conservative place that at the height of the Great Recession took part in a rare US experiment in state intervention.1975 Socialist Standard had an article on the EU referendum that took place thenThe Common Market: In or Out – Does it …and also two articles on Scots NationalismScots NationalismScots Nationalism: Part 2
Elroy1 wrote:The only thing I don't see in the writings of Karl Marx and his contempory's is a clearly defined and structurally sound alternative to a capitalist economy. I never seen Systems Theory applied to soicety in such an all encompassing way in order to solve the inherent problems of a transition which TZM basically annihilated so thoroughly as to leave pretty much no doubt as to capitalist, corportatist obsolescence.To be fair though, this is to be expected. Marx was thinking and operating within 19th century perspectives. He did not have any notion of the enabling technology that would be developed in the future and people like Fresco and Joseph had the luxury of being able to learn from the great thinkers before them.Actually there were blueprints drawn up in the nineteenth century by contemporaries of the socialist movement but they were far from clearly defined. Robert Owen tried to implement his plan and much later Alexander Bogdanov was a forerunner of systems theory. There were works of fiction too by Edward Bellamy and William Morris. As commented though, they are of historical interest in the twenty first century.
The young Tories visiting Newark were part of the Roadtrip scheme which, before he committed suicide, member Elliot Johnson alleged to involve bullying, blackmail and harrassment. Election spends might not be something that worries them.
Also anarchists call upon other anarchists to muster under their banner, the Socialist party does not call upon other socialists but it calls upon the much larger working-class to muster under its banner.
No, not 'getting power through parliament'But instead through the party contesting elections (or however the vote is measured e.g. opinion polls) as long as the elections are held or parliament exists (for example in Britain but not in North Korea) or are not suspended (as happened in Britain in World War 2)so the working class can take power however they see fit whilst minimising the chance of parliament commanding the armed forces to crush the working class.
Are the Media Committee aware of this passage from The Monument?'The Socialist Standard first came out in September 1904. Its name was chosen by the Executive Committee from a list of suggestions which included The Red Flag, Socialism, The Socialist Republic and The Socialist News. '
According to Wikipedia the question will be'Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?'with the options reading'Remain a member of the European UnionLeave the European Union'Under this wording I think the only option is to abstain, never been a fan of spoiling the ballot as it seems a pointless futile gesture.The question was initially going to be''Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union?'but possibly to avoid one group having the advantage of being able to make a positive campaign in favour of 'Yes' thought to be an advantage in Scotland it was changed.Had the question been'Should the United Kingdom leave the European Union?'I think a reasonable case could have been made that the SPGB position would have been to answer as I think the Scottish referendum question 'Should Scotland be an independent country?' could have been answered too'No, national sovereignty is a ruling-class myth so rearranging it (or leaving a trading bloc) can be of no possible advantage to workers.'
The SPGB doesn't call itself anarchist, I would say the main reason being we operate democratically and take a vote on decisions i.e. not as anarchists might inaccurately have it 'the SPGB envisages socialism through parliament'The only serious argument that the SPGB was remotely anarchist was George Walford who wrote about the SPGB as 'anarcho-socialist', a label the SPGB would reject.It does not cost any money to join the SPGB.
