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  • in reply to: Deciding production without prices #105619
    cybutek
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    Individual products will be consumed by individuals and decisions will still need to be made, such as whether to get beans including mini sausages or without.  The point is that any decisions based on the production techniques like whether it's free range, organic or the working conditions of the producer will make no sense.  There will be no need for any form of production to be 'unhappy'.  No-one wants to work in an unhappy environment and socialism by its nature gives everyone power over their actions and decisions in this regard.  Not only will people not produce anything in an 'unhappy' way but the consumers would never choose to consume a product that was created under such situations.  The system will be self regulating in that you will be able to assume that all products you can choose from at your local supply were produced in good conditions and are environmentally friendly.  No more deciding whether to spend more money on a free range chicken.  A decision which is currently forced upon us because the capitalists see "happiness" as a commodity to be profitted from in of its self…  All chickens will be free range!

    in reply to: Deciding production without prices #105616
    cybutek
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    Externalities should not be all that important in a socialist society.  Without a profit motive, there is no requirement for extremely low cost products.  Food for example can already feed multiple times the current global population.  There should never be a need to work, farm or rear animals in anything other than good conditions.With regards to logistics, this should also not be an environmental concern.  Given that I do not foresee global socialism being in effect before either all the Earth's oil has been depleated, became too difficult to extract, or a catastrophy caused because of global warming has called for some kind of action.  By the time socialism is globally viable and accepted by the majority of the population, we will have already been using clean energy out of necessity for quite some time.  This is my view unless anyone seriously believes that the global socialist revolution will happen within the next 20-30 years.The mindset of the population at the socialist revolution will obviously be different to what it is today, and by definition must be somewhat close to our current ideals.  Otherwise there will be no revolution.  Do not fall into the false vision of how socialism would fit in today, with people holding onto their cherished capitalistic world view.  As this just will not and could not happen.That being said, my summary would be that it makes sense that the value of an item will only be that of the labour costs as any environmental or welfare concerns should be either non-existent or best standards anyway.  This is due to both technology and the socialist (humanist) mindset of the global population which is already pre-requisite to socialism.

    in reply to: The WSM and the future identity of the SPGB and SPC #104581
    cybutek
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    Just to add in my couple pennies…  Great Britain is the name of the main land mass of the British Isles, and is not actually nationalistic, as the only use it has is geographic.  It does not include the Isle of Wight, Isle of Sheppy, Anglesey or any other place that you would consider part of the United Kingdom or the British Isles.  Stating that one is British is only a claim to the fact that one considers their home within the British Isles.  To see the flaw in this usage, you only have to look so far as the Republic of Ireland.  They are technically British, as in they're part of the British Isles but are a completely separate nation state.TLDR – Great Britain isn't a nation; it's just a place.  Don't get GB and UK mixed up 

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