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Quote:What that means in practical terms is that 90 per cent of the workers’ pay is deducted by the government.
That's worse than the government here deducts from prisoners allowed out to work outside during the day before the end of their sentence. The Prisoners' Earnings Act 1996 only allows
Quote:the prison Governor to take a deduction of 40% from an offender's weekly/monthly earnings over £20.But then workers in North Korea are more or less prisoners.How dare parties like the New Communist Party and the Revolutionary Communist Party of Great Britain (Marxist-Leninist) claim that there's something socialist about North Korea. Insofar as they accept "North Korean gold" to maintain their organisation they are living off the backs of the state slave workers there.
Just got round to reading my local paper and an article headlined "Councillor turns Red":
Quote:A Liberal Democrat councillor has defected to Labour in support of Jeremy Corbyn, becoming Richmond's first Labour councillor in more than 13 years. Teddington Councillor Jennifer Churchill … criticised her former party for "parroting Tory economic propaganda". Councillor Churchill told the Richmond and Twickenham Times in her first interview since defecting: "I wouldn't say [it has been coming] for a long time — when Jeremy Corbyn was elected it became a real possibility. The Labour Party's policies are more in line with my own views."On the opposite page the headline is "Lib Dem Lord may follow":
Quote:Baroness Tonge says she agrees with Labour leader on foreign policy and foreign policy and human rights.As Jenny Tonge she was LibDem MP for Richmond between 1997 and 2005.I thought the trend was supposed to be in the other direction. I doubt, though, that either will consider themselves to be anti-capitalist.
Alan, as the original has disappeared in cyberspace, can you repost that anti Scots Nat quote from him about a worker is Glasgow and a worker in Birmingham, etc. having the same problems. It's worth recording. In fact it's what we say.
Dave B wrote:With Islam it is too complicated to explain.Load of bollocks if you ask me. But at least it's not a death cult like christianity with its images of blood, sacrifice, etc. Ugh.!
She is not just an atheist but a Marxist, a member of the "Worker Communist Party of Iran":https://tendancecoatesy.wordpress.com/2015/09/26/warwick-university-student-union-bans-feminist-marxist-secularist-maryam-namazie/Here's their definition of socialism::
Quote:Socialism has been defined and interpreted in lots of different ways. We are one of the few currents who emphatically maintain that socialism should be identified with abolition of wage-labour and creation of economic equality between people. It means equality in the status of people in the social production.This clearly distinguishes us from all those currents who identify socialism with planned state economy, with industrialization, or with redistribution of wealth, etc. We maintain that socialism requires the abolition of wage-labour, and the transformation of the means of labour, means of production, into the common property of society. Social welfare and economic security of people can only be the result of such a revolution in the economic foundations of society.We'd get banned too by the politically correct opponents of free speech at Warwick University. And there are people on this forum who want us to go soft on religion.I have heard her speak. She's good. More power to her elbow.
Here's another Trot group, Workers Power, deciding to "enter" the Labour Party and dump Left Unity. As parasites Trot groups need a host and a bigger one has just come along. These people have no shame.http://www.workerspower.co.uk/2015/09/%E2%80%A8jeremy-corbyns-programme-a-revolutionary-socialist-assessment/
Quote:We believe all socialists should join the Labour Party, defend and promote Jeremy’s progressive demands, and work to extend and deepen these policies in a revolutionary socialist direction.We will be working collectively in the Labour Party, hand in hand with others, to advance that cause.I don't think Corbyn is going to like this (but the Daily Mail might):A trot group jumping on his bandwagon (those in the old Militant Tendency who stayed in the Labour Party)…
It'll be on the Master Form C but I haven't got access to one at the moment. At a guess I'd say about 5 but I'll check with the Assistant Treasurer and get back to you.
robbo203 wrote:Only a small minority in the Party appears to do anything at all.You make some valid points which you would have more chance of them being acted on if you were a member (there is a tiny minority of members who hold the view that you give as your reason for not joining — we are not that "monolithic").And you could have a go at herding cats or, rather, at getting cats to herd themselves. But the above needs challenging. I don't know what your definition is of "small minority" and "do anything" but, using participation in internal votes as a measure, which has been suggested elsewhere. about one-third of the membership are "active". Hardly a "tiny" minority. Quite high, actually, for voluntary organisations, higher in fact than in my trade union.
A realisation that single issue pressure groups don't get anywhere and that to get something done you need to aim at controlling political power? That's a bit of an illusion too if it's to work within capitalism but a different one.
One big reason will be that to join us you need do more than sign a piece of paper (and make out a direct debit). But the general trend to join political parties must be a good development, even for us, as it means more people interested in general politics and so who we can talk to. Could represent a welcome trend away from participation in single issue charities and campaigning groups.
I don't see any problem with distributing our leaflets outside rugby or soccer stadiums. Our TUSC opponent in Oxford did so during the general election earlier this year, as the following extract from their facebook page shows (click on 27 March):
Quote:27 MarchStall tomorrow outside Nelson pub, Cowley Centre 11.00am followed by leafleting at Kassam Stadium, please help if you can.According to the Guardian, he reads and recommends reading Marx:http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/sep/15/mcdonnells-economics-milibandism-liberated-from-new-labour-concernsIf he really did, or really understood, then he would know that Marx wasn't into proposing policies for governments to pursue under capitalism, but with replacing capitalism with a system of common ownership, democratic control, production for use not profit, and distribution on the principle of "from each their ability, to each their needs".
Here's Peter Taaffe, the Leader of SPEW, abandoning their policy of up to now of trying to form a Labour Party Mark 2 in favour of a renewed Labour Party Mark 1. He even calls for SPEW to be affiliated to it (fat chance of that), but still suggests that SPEW will be putting up candidates against Labour through its front organisation TUSC. But how long will that inconsistent position last?http://www.socialistparty.org.uk/videosAnd here's (7 minutes) Nick Wrack, of the ISN (a minor constituent of TUSC), putting a case for not going overboard about Corbyn and into the Labour Party:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2jH3kCeIQkSome of the points he makes are what we do.
