Trump as president again?

January 2025 Forums General discussion Trump as president again?

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  • #256149
    Citizenoftheworld
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    That Jesusland is not the reality, it is an illusion, it is an oasis in a dry ideological desert, the real statistic shows different results, the color of the map will not make any difference, within the so called red states many progressive motions were passed by the same evangelicals, and trump supporters, the rulers are trying to brainwash the minds of the workers to make them believe that there was a landslide made by the republican voters, and that Donald Trump is a christian president, the anointed of Jesus,( Cyrus the great ) and that the US is a christian nation, ( an idea created in 1949 by fanatic evangelicals , and the founders of the us created a secular republic , and Muslims and Arabs voted for Donald Trump too ) on the contrary, it shows that workers do not trust in anyone of them, and there was a big absenteeism of voters, with proper political consciousness the absenteeism would have been larger from both political parties. There is not any official religion in the USA, and there is not any official language at the federal level

    The democrats did not lose this election because Kamala Harris was a woman and “mixed races”, or a black woman , the devil, or a “”marxist” ( she does not have a clue about marxism, and her father was a Keynesian ) , a white man would have obtained the same results, both parties are in political bankruptcy, the election of Donald Trump is a sign of a large discontent, but workers due to their lack of political education they do not know the correct path, it was a close election and he only obtained 25% of the voters and the difference was 1.5%, this time, he accomplished less than during 2016 and Joe Biden did much better than him. Joe Biden did not quit because he was a patriot, his financer supporters forced him to resign in order to continue financing the democratic party, billions of dollars were spent on the 2024 elections, big business and big advertising companies were the winners, and donors from both parties made billions of dollars with the Trump election .

    In Europe and Latin America some presidential candidates had to go through a second election in order to obtain a majority of voters according to electoral laws and electoral centers are more independent , 25% of voters is not enough, what has happened to the 75% of the others voters ? The same question can be asked: Can 20 millions of emigrants affect the live of 350 millions peoples ? It is just a pure bourgeois lie, it is an ideological poison propagated by the capitalists, they use them and then they throw them away, they take them from the army of the unemployed and then they blame their own crisis of overproduction on somebody else, the same situation is with the voters, they never vote as a majority, there are more than 150 millions of voters in the whole nation.

    In Chile Salvador Allende obtained 33% of the voters and his election had to be decided by the courts and the christians social democrats, later on, they became part of the coup, the venezuelan christians democrats were part of the government corruption, an arrest warrant was issued for the president Carlos Andres Perez because he stole millions of dollars and they were part of the so called Socialist International, some of those christians movement were allied of Pat Robertson, the same guy who said that god punished the haitians when 200 thousands died in a earthquake, but he did not say that capitalism was the cause of those death and poverty produced more death

    Most US presidents have always been elected by a minority of voters, and using a vestige of the slavery system known as electoral college,( both political parties do not want to eliminate the electoral college ) presidents in the so called third world countries have a better results, costa rica which is a country controlled by right wingers, they have a more democratic electoral process, and they have passed several social democrats reforms without making so many political noises and flapping their wings to spread dusts, those reforms can be eliminated by any leader, both parties have practically eliminated the reforms of the new deal

    The so called Christian movement in the USA is not a christian movement either, they do not even know the principles of the Bibles, or the real Greek-Roman gospel and the history of christianity, probably, Engels knew more than them about the real origin of the primitive christians, they are losing many members and churches are becoming empties, and the evangelical are becoming less popular, but the Catholic Church is getting more members now, because they are better chameleons, and the increase of latinos emgirations who are catholic are affecting the prevalence of the evangelical church, and the so called conservatives values with the development of capitalism ( which they support ) they are losing all the so called traditional reactionaries values, they did not vote for christians value, they voted for bread and butter which they are going to get either, and Trump will wipe his butt with the Bible. Ironically, they are saying that Trump won because of the high prices of the chicken eggs, and he can not control the capitalist market and the price of the commodities, he is a businessman, he is not a politician or a christian

    Years back California was a Republican state and It was controlled by a backward anti communist reactionary known as Ronald Reagan, and then twice, he was elected to be president, and a democratic president like Jimmy Carter paved the way for most of his policies,( he deregulated the so called socialist policies ) it is also a lie that most Latinos, black and women voted for Trump, most latinos that voted for Trump are the so called anti communists who emigrated from Cuba, Nicaragua and Venezuela,( and some mexican americans ) who do not know what communism really is, and they support the so called anti communist league, and during the Obama election most of them voted for his election. Most Latinos, black and women voted for Harris and more than 25 millions democrats did not vote, some sources are saying that it was a punishment to the Democratic Party, and the so called third parties are just an extension of the Democratic Party including the left wingers who just want to continue reforming the capitalist state, the only real alternative is the WSPUS and they are not ready for that challenge

    California created the so called sanctuary cities because they need the cheap labor of the Mexicans and the Central American workers, it is not because they are pro labor, a road travel to the North part of California will show the real economic reality without their labor the whole state will fall apart and that is the reason why Reagan advised by his gangs approved an amnesty, part of that gangs were part of the Obama cabinet, somebody asked at the beginning of his presidency: Is he going to follow the Uncle Tom or the Uncle Sam ? He followed the same path of the republicans

    The Democratic Party in the past was the most reactionary and right wing party in the USA, they used to support the KKK, the white supremacy and the slave holders, and the progressive party was the Republican Party, and politically both are the same shit, and both are warmongers, they are the political front of the US ruling class. both are interventionists, they do follow what Marx said on the Manifesto that the state is the executive apparatus to manage the affairs of the ruling class, they can elect Mickey Mouse and Pluto, and both will do the same job, workers can stay home drinking beers at the time of election and they will select another reactionary to manage the state apparatus, as Malcom X said to the black voters: You are the ones placing the democrats in powers and they have never done anything for you and they have had control of the senate and the House of house of representatives

    Several times they have had control of both house ( democrats and republicans ) and they have never passed anything to benefits the workers, and all those offers made by Harris could have been passed by them, but they needed crumbs bread for the workers for the political campaign, the workers in New York made the correct decision they passed a constitutional amendment for abortion and it was done in Mexico and Argentina, and they took scientist to the congress to discuss about abortion instead of citing witchcrafts, and both are catholics, therefore, religion is not a controlling factor.

    They are saying that they voted for the economy, but the economy is the one that is affecting them, because it is the one that produces poverty, hunger, unemployment, racisms, divisions, wars, inequality and lack of medical services and insecurity, the vast majority of the poor in the USA are the white peoples, and they have not been replaced by the emigrants,( as the white supremacist are saying ) they have been replaced by the capitalist class who are the ones who moved all the factories to others countries, and they are the one employing cheaper labor commodities, and they are exploited like any human beings and they do not care about the color of their skin, and they are younger too, and the whole US society is getting old, and pension is a deferred salary, and it imposes a heavy burden on their profits , workers are poor and they can not even pay their rent, therefore, they can not finance the state, that is another wrong conception in order to divide the working class propagated by right wingers and left wingers . As a journalist told DeSantis: Read your Karl Marx

    #256153
    ZJW
    Participant

    Replying to ALB’s #256132:

    Yes, that’s it. The more Canadian states, the more Canadian senators. Having 20 new senators (because 2 per state) from the 10 Canadian provinces would probably make it impossible for Republicans to ever have a senate majority again.

    But that’s not the honest answer Trump would give. Let’s return to the press conference:

    [Trump:] ‘Well, think about it. This is not rocket science, you know. The whole population of all of Canada put together is barely more than the population of California. And how many states is California?? California is just one state, right? But, you know, those 10 or 12 or 13 or however many divisions they have in Canada now can be kept, no reason not to. They can be the *counties* of the great state of Canada. In fact one of them, inhabited by Eskimos, I believe, might even choose to secede from the state of Canada and become part of Greenland.’

    (He refers to Nunavut, one of the 3 federal territories.)

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    #256156
    Bijou Drains
    Participant

    Interesting point about the possibility of “taking back” the Panama Canal.

    I would doubt Trump is aware of the long history of canals and waterways shaping the ends of empires, but as well as the obvious link to The British and French failure at Suez in 1956, leading to the end of Britain and France being viewed as World Powers. The Goths cut the canals and waterways of Rome, leading to the successful siege and sacking of Rome in 537AD, and arguably the fall of the Roman Empire, the breaking of the canals in Alkmaar was pivotal, to the Dutch winning the Siege of Alkmaar, which, in 1573, was the first success for the Dutch in the 80 Years’ War, which led to the eclipse of the Spanish Empire, and the Battle of St Quentin Canal in Sept 1918, was the start of the 100 day offensive that ended the 1st world war and set off the collapse of the German Empire.

    Perhaps the future battle of the Panama Canal will be the final act of the collapse of the US empire?

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    #256160
    ALB
    Keymaster

    More on key waterways. Control over which is probably the second most reason (after control over sources of raw materials) as to why states go to war.

    https://sputnikglobe.com/20241231/from-suez-to-hormuz-the-economic-and-strategic-importance-of-key-maritime-routes-1121309640.html

    #256162
    Citizenoftheworld
    Participant

    The so called communist influences in Panama is a very old topics and distortions propagated by the US government and the CIA, but they have placed their own men in power since the time that the Panama Canal was built, in order to protect their investment, commercial routes, and spheres of influences, this is what the CIA said about the Torrijos Government and the students movements:

    https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP75B00380R000100050143-2.pdf

    https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/DOC_0000442808.pdf

    Torrijos had a very strange helicopter accident and it was blamed on Noriega who was on the CIA payroll. Panama was founded after a nationalist revolt provoked by the USA against the Great Colombia, therefore, the USA influence in Panama is stronger than the so called communists.

    During the Cold War period the USA had more influences in Latin America than the Soviet Union, the soviets used the cuban government in order to finance certain guerrillas groups but they were not very successful, but the USA also financed its guerrillas groups too such as the Nicaraguan contras, and some weapons were provided using the government of Israel

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omar_Torrijos. Omar Torrijos was a nationalist military man like Trujillo and Cardenas

    The new allegations of Donald Trump ( and his capitalists backers ) is that the Panama Canal is controlled by the Communist party of China, but the canal is not controlled by the Chinese government, it is controlled by the Panamanian government and a Hong Kong shipping company and all the profits is transferred to the government of Panama, and the profit is used for maintenance and upgrade.

    The USA is playing the victim card, that they are been overcharged, but they are paying the same fees as any other shipping country, or shipping vessels, and the transits of vessels have been limited due to the fact that the lake that supply water to the canal is getting dry and that lake also provides water to the panama population

    When the US signed the new canal agreement they already had several military bases in Latin America such as in Puerto Rico, Ecuador, Aruba and Curacao, El Salvador, Honduras, Guatemala and Belize, Colombia and Peru, and the have a naval fleet that is always moving around and patrolling the whole region, who has the biggest influences in the region ? . The Panama Canal can not be used to accommodate the larger and wide military warships, but the Chinese megaport in Peru can take any type of maritime vessel, and that is the real threat to the USA capitalsit class

    The real influences of the chinese capitalists is in the whole region based on commercial trades, and commercial routes, loans and the sales of military weapons, there is not any ideological communist influences from the Chinese capitalists, even more in China you can not find the works of Mao Tse Tung, it is only a red scare for the US voters

    #256167
    Citizenoftheworld
    Participant

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0kvkrv7yrdo

    Russia is also claiming that Greenland is part of its sphere of national interests

    The tortuous path of China’s win-win strategy in Greenland

    China has interests in the artic region

    #256238
    Citizenoftheworld
    Participant

    Trump’s War Against Immigrants in Political and Historical Perspective

    Trump’s War Against Immigrants in Political and Historical Perspective

    The extent to which the second Trump administration presents us with a reality most people in this country have never fathomed, let alone experienced, is nowhere more evident than in his impending wholesale assault on the rights of immigrants.

    Drastically reducing the numbers of those with temporary or permanent residency while deporting as many undocumented as possible is the signature issue that has defined Trump’s trajectory since he entered politics. He and his allies have been planning for years to enact an assortment of policies to help “make America white again,” and there is every indication they will hit the ground running. They are prepared to implement their agenda, and must we prepared to resist it.

    Trump’s second term will not be like the first, when his effort to take a sledgehammer to immigration by ending DACA, Temporary Protected Status (TPS), Family Preference Visas (mistakenly termed “chain migration”), and reducing asylum claims to close to zero were limited or blocked by the courts. This is not only due to him having a six to three majority on the Supreme Court (with many Circuit and Appellant judges as his appointees) but because restrictive immigration policies today have much more popular support than in 2017. This is a major reason he won not just the electoral college but the popular vote—aided by Harris’s studied refusal to sharply distinguish herself from his anti-immigrant position.

    #256239
    ALB
    Keymaster

    I see from other stuff in their site that the Marxist-Humanists are still going on about “Yrumpism” being a “fascist thread”:

    Trumpism and Beyond: The Neofascist Threat in America

    Did they call on workers to vote for Harris in November?

    #256243
    Citizenoftheworld
    Participant

    There are three groups of Marxist Humanists, and there are some differences among them, and the most active one is the International Marxist Humanist Organization

    The one who made more emphasis on the concept of Trumpism is the Marxist Humanist Initiative.

    Their definition of Fascism/Nazism is the same one propagated by the Leninists and the Trotskyists.

    They do not see fascism/nazism as a particular form adopted by the German and Italian capitalists in order to administer capitalism.

    It is the same old idea that all right wings governments and presidential candidates are fascists or Neo fascists, which is totally incorrect, on the contrary, the left has paved the way for the emerge of the right wingers, and Argentina is the best example. All leftwing reforms have failed

    I do not think this particular group asked workers to vote for Kamala Harris.

    Having academic knowledge, or academia, is not a guarantee for clear understanding of socialism,

    I have seen many simple workers who have had a much better understanding and have dedicated their entire life to the cause of socialism

    #256269
    Citizenoftheworld
    Participant

    https://www.leftvoice.org/trump-has-no-mandate-and-his-incoming-administration-is-full-of-contradictions/

    There is a large division among members or groups of the US ruling class

    #256275
    ZJW
    Participant

    citizenoftheworld:

    Re your #256243:

    Could you briefly tell us:

    1) The names of the three groups.

    2) The better known individual(s) associated with each. (Kliman for one, Hudis for the one you mention, and [who??] for the third?)

    3) Over what political issues the original organisation split into three and/or what their present important (?) differences are.

    #256280
    Citizenoftheworld
    Participant

    Probably, I am out of topic, but I am going to answer the question briefly

    News and letters committee is an organization original founded by Raya Dunayeskaya, and Peter Hudis was one of her personal secretary, and he was an Organizer along with Olga Domansky

    In memoriam Olga Domanski, 1923-2015

    They had difference in regard to Raya Dunayeskaya concept of organization and philosophy, the trustee of her works, and financing of the organization. Olga stayed in News and Letters committee

    Peter Hudis and Kilman formed a new group known as Marxist Humanist Initiative, and later on they had differences too and Kilman continued
    directing the organization and Peter Hudis and Kevin Anderson formed International Marxist Humanist organizations

    Basically these are their differences:

    Essay: Epigones discard Marxist-Humanist philosophy

    An Open Letter to Members of the International Marxist-Humanist Organization

    Setting the Historic Record Straight

    #256283
    Citizenoftheworld
    Participant

    This is Peter Hudis book on the Alternative to capitalism

    There is a critiques on this book made by Socialist Studies.( Pdf download )

    I think Adam Buick book on the Alternative to capitalism is more objective

    The Complete Works of Rosa Luxemburg

    Home

    I do not hink Lenin was ambivalent, he was never a socialist/communist, Without Lenin, the Soviet Union and his followers socialism/communism would have been in a much better stand. I do not think that Marx was a Hegelian thru all his life either, I might say as CLR James: There is nothing for us on Hegel. The only thing that I care about Marx and Engel was that their were real socialist/communist, and we should have their class consciousness, and we do not need to worship them, and it is not a question of academia, or for intellectuals, or having PHD to understand them, and both made mistakes like any human beings, and Engels dedicated his life and his personal resources to propagate Marx ideas and socialism.

    Kevin Anderson

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