The long awaited conspiracies thread

January 2023 Forums General discussion The long awaited conspiracies thread

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    alanjjohnstone
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    Yet a "new" conspiracy theory on the JFK assassination. The bodyguard did it. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/a-tragic-accident-in-the-heat-of-the-moment-new-docudrama-claims-jfk-was-shot-accidentally-by-a-hungover-secret-service-agent-8736705.html I remember reading a book about 10 years ago describing the same theory so it isn't a new one and has been satisfactory discredited.  Bonar Menninger's 1992 book "MORTAL ERROR: THE SHOT THAT KILLED JFK"Hickey the bodyguard now conveniently dead got a substantial out of court settlement after Menninger's book was published  No doubt it has taken on a fresh life from the recent revelations of the whoring and drinking done by Obama's secret service men on a foreign jaunt to South America.  Me? I'll stick to my Aristotle Onassis did it to marry Jackie

    #94480
    ALB
    Keymaster

    Here's the results of a recent opinion poll on various conspiracy theories of 1247 US voters — for what it's worth (Do people really believe what they say? Do they reply what they think they are expected to reply? Do some of them take the piss?):http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2013/04/democrats-and-republicans-differ-on-conspiracy-theory-beliefs.htmlGood to see that only 6% think Bin Laden is not dead, only 4% (say they) believe in David Icke's shape-shifting reptiles.and only 5% in chem trails and only 7% that the moon landing was faked.  More worrying is that 21% (say they) believes in UFOs and 29% in aliens and 37% that global warming is a hoax.Of the issues that have come up here, 51% believe that a conspiracy was at work in Kennedy's assassination. More re-assuring only 11% believe that "the United States government knowingly allowed the attacks on September 11th, 2001, to happen."28% believe that

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    a secretive power elite with a globalist agenda is conspiring to eventually rule the world through an authoritarian world government, or New World Order.
    #94481
    Ozymandias
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    Sometimes I check out this website… http://www.vigilantcitizen.com which among other things investigates the recurring satanic meme currently running though popular culture. Yes this is deep conspiracy theory territory but much of the evidence seems compelling. I come away thinking "surely this shit can't be real".  The conspiracists would say I'm thinking the way the masters want me to think because the "Illuminati" operate…by flinging everything glarlingly in our faces. I think there are more than a few true grains of truth in the whole conspiracy thing.BTW did anyone watch the documentary last week about the "Secret Life of Uri Geller"? That shit terrified me. What fuckin chance have we got?

    #94482
    alanjjohnstone
    Keymaster

    http://libcom.org/library/how-overthrow-illuminati On the Illuminati and a bit about freemasons If i understand my masonry, SPGBers cannot join the British masons due to the necessary belief in the Supreme Being, the Grand Architect in the Sky ,  but could join the atheistic French masons. i recall reading about  them parading in full regalia during the Paris Commune. 

    #94483
    jondwhite
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    This topic reminded me of the book I saw in Waterstones the other dayhttp://www.amazon.co.uk/Irrationality-enemy-within-Ben-Goldacre/dp/1780660251/

    #94484
    alanjjohnstone
    Keymaster

    The latest video on SOYMB blog is relevant to Goldacre and  this thread too. http://www.socialismoryourmoneyback.blogspot.com/2013/09/science-video.html

    #94485
    ALB
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    alanjjohnstone wrote:
    If i understand my masonry, SPGBers cannot join the British masons due to the necessary belief in the Supreme Being, the Grand Architect in the Sky, but could join the atheistic French masons. i recall reading about them parading in full regalia during the Paris Commune.

    I wouldn't have thought so !Freemasonry was a bourgeois revolutionary movement in France, Spain, Italy, etc (I think Bakunin was one; secret societies were his thing. Marx wasn't of course) and the Social Democratic parties of those countries are still riddled with it. Not the Communist parties as they declared it incompatible, as I imagine we would/should. The fact that it played a part in the Paris Commune shows the extent that to which its ideas were still influenced by the French bourgeois revolution of the 18th century.

    #94486
    DJP
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    jondwhite wrote:
    This topic reminded me of the book I saw in Waterstones the other dayhttp://www.amazon.co.uk/Irrationality-enemy-within-Ben-Goldacre/dp/1780660251/

    It's a good book, I have it. The new cover made me think it was a new one, but it's been out for a long time. It's actually more relevant to our "cognition" discussion.

    #94487
    Anonymous
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    alanjjohnstone wrote:
    http://libcom.org/library/how-overthrow-illuminatiOn the Illuminati and a bit about freemasonsIf i understand my masonry, SPGBers cannot join the British masons due to the necessary belief in the Supreme Being, the Grand Architect in the Sky ,  but could join the atheistic French masons. i recall reading about  them parading in full regalia during the Paris Commune. 

    Last Saturday in Canterbury, a short distance from the party's literature stall, was a fairly impressive covered display unit, (which we were told cost around £20K) complete with hydraulic gear to enable it to be loaded fairly effortlessly onto the back of a suitable truck, belonging to the local Freemasons who are trying to improve their 'image' with the general public.  One of our members asked about this necessary belief in the Supreme Being.  The reply came: "the Supreme Being I believe in is my wife"!

    #94488
    rodshaw
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    alanjjohnstone wrote:
    The latest video on SOYMB blog is relevant to Goldacre and  this thread too. http://www.socialismoryourmoneyback.blogspot.com/2013/09/science-video.html

    That's a cracking video.

    #94489
    alanjjohnstone
    Keymaster

    The president's brain is missing!  After Mr Kennedy's autopsy, his brain was placed in a container and temporarily stored in a Secret Service filing cabinet. It was then put in a footlocker with other medical evidence in the National Archives. In October 1966 it was discovered that the brain and other autopsy materials were missing. Some claim that the brain was stolen to hide the fact that JFK was shot from the front instead of the official version of events – that it was from behind. In End Of Days: The Assassination Of John F Kennedy, James Swanson rejects conspiracy theories that the brain vanished as part of a plot to hide the facts of the assassination.  "My conclusion is that Robert Kennedy did take his brother's brain – not to conceal evidence of a conspiracy, but perhaps to conceal evidence of the true extent of President Kennedy's illnesses, or perhaps to conceal evidence of the number of medications that President Kennedy was taking." I have previously read it was for the very simple reason to inter with the rest of JFK. Also to ensure that it does not end up being a macabre momento as what happened to Einstein's brain. An investigation ordered by then-Attorney General Ramsey Clark, uncovered "compelling evidence suggesting that former Attorney General Robert Kennedy, aided by his assistant Angie Novello, had stolen the locker. Unless RFK was part of 'the conspiracy' there is nothing conspiratorial about it's disappearance. Unexplained events aren't evidence of anything, no matter what suspicion tells you.http://uk.news.yahoo.com/jfks-brother-may-stolen-brain-193705974.html

    #94490
    alanjjohnstone
    Keymaster

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-24650841 He is also examining whether the push for greater openness and transparency in public life will fuel, rather than kill off, conspiracy theories."It may be that one of the things conspiracy theories feed on as well as silence, is a surfeit of information. And when there is a mass of information out there, it becomes easier for people to find their way through to come to the conclusion they want to come to."Plus, you don't have to be an especial cynic to believe that, in the age of open government, governments will be even more careful to keep secret the things they want to keep secret."The demand for openness always produces, as well as more openness, more secrecy."

    #94491
    alanjjohnstone
    Keymaster

    Lee Harvey Oswald's wedding ring was sold for $108,000 (£67,000). The ring has a tiny hammer and sickle engraved on the inside.  http://uk.news.yahoo.com/jfk-assassin-oswalds-ring-sells-108k-042338261.html#rUrOKnM On the morning of the assassination – November 22, 1963 – Oswald put the ring in a cup on the dresser and left $170 (the equivalent of $1,372.46 in 2011 dollars) in one of its drawers before he headed for work at the Texas School Book Depository. He left the house with $15 (over $100 in today's dollars) and had $13.87 in his wallet when apprehended.  Was it a farewell gesture from a husband who knew he might never come home again? 3 possible alternatives to mind (I am including both the LN and CT scenarios):  – He was going to be killed. – He was going to be caught. – His co-conspirators would take care of his expenses. 

    #94492
    alanjjohnstone
    Keymaster

    http://rt.com/op-edge/conspiracy-theory-west-poisoning-648/ "The labeling of people as ‘conspiracy theorists’ by gatekeepers in the West has nothing to do with how much evidence there is to support a claim or the quality of that evidence, but is a political call, based on who the conspiracy theory concerns and who is making it." – Neil Clark

    #94493
    alanjjohnstone
    Keymaster

    Patrick Cockburn on them herehttp://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/the-truth-about-conspiracy-theories-is-that-some-require-considering-9616863.html

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