Party Video 2016
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SocialistPunk wrote:We seem to be missing something important here. We have a member who has so far put in a lot of graft to produce an introductory video. Quite an important thing in itself.The idea of paying an outside agency to produce a professional video for a few thousand quid is missing the point. Vin was meant to be on the AV committee. With more help, access to material, ability to interview, financial input etc it would have been possible to develop the AV committee into a decent operational department capable of producing quality video material well into the future. It's possible to make it so that such a department can react to events happening in the world and produce video commentary. It could even spawn an interesting Party YouTube site, with regular blogs being put out. New members more savvy with digital media may be drawn in and it could become a very valuable tool in promoting socialism. Who knows what could be achieved. I urge Party members who use this forum to spread the word about this to your branches and elsewhere in the Party. Don't let a excellent opportunity slip through our fingers.
I agree with you 100%. The problem we have, however, is with an Executive Committee who, by a majority, thumbed their noses at this member's graft and offered him practically no words of advice or encouragement.
August 2016 EC minutes – Resolution 11 wrote:The EC recognizes the efforts behind the video but is unwilling that it be adopted as an official party publication. Criticisms of the video include its generally unprofessional and cliched presentation such that it is ineffective in getting the socialist case across. For example amongst other things the use of overly “dramatic” music, the appearance of cartoon capitalists, the emphasis on individual rather than a class approach.Carried 4-3Quite bizarre and unwarranted criticism considering the previous AVC and successive EC's had not lifted a single finger towards the making of a desperately needed introductory video to the party other than to get a professional company to make the short (2'41") film specifically for use during the 2014 European Election and again during the 2015 General Election.The next opportunity we have to get something moving will be at the Autumn Delegate Meeting in October.
What about a video on seeing the world through socialist glasses. Hasn't been done – more than 2 million views? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKJO06CYxdA
Incidentally, what did the Video Production Committee produce in the five years of its existence (2002-2007)? As I understand it, 'Capitalism and Other Kids Stuff' was not produced by the Video Production Committee.
jondwhite wrote:Incidentally, what did the Video Production Committee produce in the five years of its existence (2002-2007)? As I understand it, 'Capitalism and Other Kids Stuff' was not produced by the Video Production Committee.mmmm that explains a lot
jondwhite wrote:Incidentally, what did the Video Production Committee produce in the five years of its existence (2002-2007)? As I understand it, 'Capitalism and Other Kids Stuff' was not produced by the Video Production Committee.That's correct although of the four members responsible for its production I think two were members of the the Video Production Committee at the time.The EC declined to officially endorse the video because it did not mention the party or socialism.
April 2005 EC minutes wrote:9.2.ii) Lawrence & Scholey: "Regarding the video produced by some members, the EC is bound to point out that by not mentioning the Party's name or the word 'socialism', it raises the question of published policy that is beyond the remit of the EC. Therefore, the EC cannot officially endorse it. However, there is no problem in it being used as a link with the Party's website, and the EC hopes that the comrades concerned will continue their efforts to produce party videos which should have an important place in our general campaigning." Agreed: 7 for, 0 against, 1 abstention.Tends to place the discussion about the present video, which mentions both the party and socialism and was produced by a then member of the Audio Visual Committee, in some sort of perspective…
gnome wrote:jondwhite wrote:Incidentally, what did the Video Production Committee produce in the five years of its existence (2002-2007)? As I understand it, 'Capitalism and Other Kids Stuff' was not produced by the Video Production Committee.That's correct although of the four members responsible for its production I think two were members of the the Video Production Committee at the time.The EC declined to officially endorse the video because it did not mention the party or socialism.
April 2005 EC minutes wrote:9.2.ii) Lawrence & Scholey: "Regarding the video produced by some members, the EC is bound to point out that by not mentioning the Party's name or the word 'socialism', it raises the question of published policy that is beyond the remit of the EC. Therefore, the EC cannot officially endorse it. However, there is no problem in it being used as a link with the Party's website, and the EC hopes that the comrades concerned will continue their efforts to produce party videos which should have an important place in our general campaigning." Agreed: 7 for, 0 against, 1 abstention.Tends to place the discussion about the present video, which mentions both the party and socialism and was produced by a then member of the Audio Visual Committee, in some sort of perspective…
And what "sort of perspective" would that be, may I ask? Would it be to do with Vin failing to consult with the EC and then using the party logo without their permission. And finally not being bothered to send a recording of his efforts to the EC but deciding to put it out on Youtube to ask for comments?If he had not used the party logo and done his own thing just like the past effort with Paddy and co nobody would have anything to protest about. Until the party decide to produce professional video's that is the only sensible way to go.Silly Vin and silly EC but we all learn hopefully?
gnome wrote:jondwhite wrote:Incidentally, what did the Video Production Committee produce in the five years of its existence (2002-2007)? As I understand it, 'Capitalism and Other Kids Stuff' was not produced by the Video Production Committee.That's correct although of the four members responsible for its production I think two were members of the the Video Production Committee at the time.
From what I can glean, and I'm open to correction on this – the producers of 'Capitalism and Other Kids Stuff' did not join the VPD until the year after its release.So if you're not on the committee and don't mention the party and socialism, your video won't be endorsed by EC, but the video will be adopted semi-officially and spread widely anyway.If you are on the committee, do mention the party and socialism, you will be dismissed by the EC from the committee and your video 'disowned'.
Brian wrote:gnome wrote:Tends to place the discussion about the present video, which mentions both the party and socialism and was produced by a then member of the Audio Visual Committee, in some sort of perspective…And what "sort of perspective" would that be, may I ask? Would it be to do with Vin failing to consult with the EC and then using the party logo without their permission. And finally not being bothered to send a recording of his efforts to the EC but deciding to put it out on Youtube to ask for comments?
You're wrong on just about every count, Brian. As a then member of the Audio-Visual Committee and as there is currently no rule requiring it, Vin did not need to consult with the EC and neither was he required to obtain their permission to use the logo of the party of which he has been a member for over 30 years. As a matter of courtesy, however, a link to the video was sent to every single member of the EC but only a couple of them could be arsed to watch it. Finally, I'll remind you of the motion which the EC carried at its August 2016 meeting.
Quote:MOTION 6. (Cox and McLellan) “The EC notes that a number of Committees of the Party already have the authority of the EC to produce and disseminate audio-visual material and maintain websites in accordance with their Terms of Reference.”Carried 4 – 0 with 3 abstentions.(emphasis added)
gnome wrote:You're wrong on just about every count, Brian.He certainly is. And more importantly, he was around and witnessed every move Vin made with regard to the video and indeed Vin's other 'activities'. So one can only guess why he makes such comments.
Brian wrote:And what "sort of perspective" would that be, may I ask? Would it be to do with Vin failing to consult with the EC and then using the party logo without their permission. And finally not being bothered to send a recording of his efforts to the EC but deciding to put it out on Youtube to ask for comments?If he had not used the party logo and done his own thing just like the past effort with Paddy and co nobody would have anything to protest about. Until the party decide to produce professional video's that is the only sensible way to go.Silly Vin and silly EC but we all learn hopefully?Paddy Shannon wrote on Spintcom today "Frankly I'm a little disgusted that these slurs keep reappearing.(re Capitalism and other kids stuff). As regards rules, I think we have one about casting aspersions on the integrity of other members, that some members might want to keep in mind." Paddy and re Vin using party logo unofficially: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFZgYrHuoQfjE0JBkd_h57g That is if you are interested in the unofficial use of party emblem
gnome wrote:Brian wrote:gnome wrote:Tends to place the discussion about the present video, which mentions both the party and socialism and was produced by a then member of the Audio Visual Committee, in some sort of perspective…And what "sort of perspective" would that be, may I ask? Would it be to do with Vin failing to consult with the EC and then using the party logo without their permission. And finally not being bothered to send a recording of his efforts to the EC but deciding to put it out on Youtube to ask for comments?
You're wrong on just about every count, Brian. As a then member of the Audio-Visual Committee and as there is currently no rule requiring it, Vin did not need to consult with the EC and neither was he required to obtain their permission to use the logo of the party of which he has been a member for over 30 years. As a matter of courtesy, however, a link to the video was sent to every single member of the EC but only a couple of them could be arsed to watch it. Finally, I'll remind you of the motion which the EC carried at its August 2016 meeting.
Quote:MOTION 6. (Cox and McLellan) “The EC notes that a number of Committees of the Party already have the authority of the EC to produce and disseminate audio-visual material and maintain websites in accordance with their Terms of Reference.”Carried 4 – 0 with 3 abstentions.(emphasis added)
Perhaps if Brian offered sincere his contrition?Brian – Forgive me comrade for I have sinned it is 15 posts since my last sincere contritionFather Kilgallon – Tell me comrade what mispostings have you made since that time.Brian – Well comrade (Brian holds back a tear) I…… I, I don't know how to say this, but, forgive me I have gone off topic on one occasion and I have questioned a moderator's decision in private message with another comrade, a sin of decent I believe, and lastly…….. (voice becomes low and practically inaudible) I called the almighty infallibility of the EC into question in my private thoughts.Father Kilgallon – Comrade you have committed serious acts of disagreement, however I believe you have made a sincere contition, as a penance go away and read 15 articles by Jim Darcy from 1970s editions of the Standard and when you come out of the coma, whip yourself on the back 30 times with a wet copy of Questions of the Day. Go forth my son and question no more.
You do realise Tim, he has the power to shut you up for good ! But thanks for your humourous post . Very refreshing.
Tim Kilgallon wrote:Perhaps if Brian offered sincere his contrition?Brian – Forgive me comrade for I have sinned it is 15 posts since my last sincere contritionFather Kilgallon – Tell me comrade what mispostings have you made since that time.Brian – Well comrade (Brian holds back a tear) I…… I, I don't know how to say this, but, forgive me I have gone off topic on one occasion and I have questioned a moderator's decision in private message with another comrade, a sin of decent I believe, and lastly…….. (voice becomes low and practically inaudible) I called the almighty infallibility of the EC into question in my private thoughts.Father Kilgallon – Comrade you have committed serious acts of disagreement, however I believe you have made a sincere contition, as a penance go away and read 15 articles by Jim Darcy from 1970s editions of the Standard and when you come out of the coma, whip yourself on the back 30 times with a wet copy of Questions of the Day. Go forth my son and question no more.[/quote]OK silly Vin, silly EC and silly me for posing a possible reason why we are in the middle of the silly season and not being contrite.
Brian wrote:OK silly Vin, silly EC and silly me for posing a possible reason why we are in the middle of the silly season and not being contrite.Why not admit to the silly season that has vin banned for life for simply saying the same things as Tim has said. And yourself here on this occassion. No one offers an answer to what vin has said all along and what Tim is saying now. OPEN MODERATION
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