Our chance to forswear allegiance

April 2024 Forums General discussion Our chance to forswear allegiance

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  • #243175
    Thomas_More
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    Weren’t the Highland Clearances and the various indigenous genocides around the world also progressive in marxian terms? Does that mean I should support them?

    #243177
    Lizzie45
    Participant

    …just like the man I admire most in history, the Marquis de Sade

    Ach ja, Donatien Alphonse François, Comte de Sade!
    An arrogant aristocrat who thought he had the right to physically and sexually abuse servants and to kidnap, torture and rape pre-adolescent girls.

    #243178
    Thomas_More
    Participant

    Who then grew up and became a sound and coherent materialist thinker and writer.

    Are Socialists Sadists?

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    #243186
    ALB
    Keymaster

    Fair enough. You reject the materialist conception of history and interpret history in terms of some abstract, eternal principles of morality. It’s not a crime. A lot of people do.

    #243188
    Thomas_More
    Participant

    No I do not. But if it gives you pleasure to say so, so be it.

    The overthrow of Charles I. was an essential stage in the English bourgeois revolution. There, I said it, and I acknowledge it.
    I still like him for his pluck, and I still oppose his execution.
    There! 🙂

    #243189
    Thomas_More
    Participant

    Next you’ll say Alexandre Dumas was a reactionary for making his musketeers try to save Charles I. in Thirty Years After.
    An admirable novel. You’d do well to read it, to give you some “pluck” and buckle your swash a little.

    #243190
    ALB
    Keymaster

    That’s reassuring. I was beginning to imagine you dressing up as a cavalier at your Civil War re-enactment society events. Incidentally, the Party will have a stall at the Levellers Day event in Burford on Saturday 20 May. Come dressed as a pikeman if you can make it.

    Burford – Levellers’ Day

    #243191
    Thomas_More
    Participant

    Thank you, but i’m housebound.

    Horrifically, I did in fact desert to the King’s side, from Devereux’s regiment to Sir Bevill Grenvile’s! (Oh, horror!)

    Yes, I had a pash for the three pretty sisters who ran the royalist regt, and preferred being with them to being with beer-bellied middle-aged roundheads.

    Not all bad news though. At least I signed up for the rebel side in the 1985 Monmouth re-enactment, and got kicked in the groin by a royalist colonel on Glastonbury Tor.

    #243193
    Lizzie45
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    Who then grew up and became a sound and coherent materialist thinker and writer.

    You reckon having an affair with a 14 year old girl when he was 70, which lasted until his death, is evidence Sade ‘grew up’?

    Btw, I seem to remember you siding with TS and supporting war (?)

    Your memory is flawed; I did no such thing.

    #243194
    Thomas_More
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    Must We Burn Sade?

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    #243198
    Thomas_More
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    I’m going to open a new thread on Sade, because this has gone seriously off topic.

    #243222
    L.B. Neill
    Participant

    “I’m going to open a new thread on Sade, because this has gone seriously off topic.”
    No Thomas: not Sadie! Shakespeare’s Rebels maybe?
    Or my favourite: The Christian who is a Socialist: paradox or natural synthesis.

    #243223
    Thomas_More
    Participant

    The Christian who is a socialist? Hm, that would be Thomas More (the original one, that is).

    #243224
    Lizzie45
    Participant

    Hm, that would be Thomas More (the original one, that is).

    Someone else who lost his head!

    A fitting end for all heretics! 🙂

    #243232
    twc
    Participant

    If we analyse the coronation’s symbolic ceremony and sacred oaths, we glimpse their ancient precendent.

    A few instances…

    1. Phenomenon
      The Archbishop of Canterbury extracted from Charles a solemn oath of subservience to God and a binding promise to become the Church [of England]’s faithful servant before ever moving toward crowning him.
      Glimpse
      Antique power relations between church and state.
    2. Phenomenon
      The king, “long may he reign over us”, extracted undying loyalty from his successor-in-waiting, his son, the Prince of Wales.
      Glimpse
      Fragility of the royal court.
    3. Phenomenon
      The antique military presence and ceremony.
      Glimpse
      Eternal class politics.
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