Our chance to forswear allegiance
October 2024 › Forums › General discussion › Our chance to forswear allegiance
- This topic has 79 replies, 14 voices, and was last updated 1 year, 5 months ago by Thomas_More.
-
AuthorPosts
-
May 7, 2023 at 8:58 am #243175Thomas_MoreParticipant
Weren’t the Highland Clearances and the various indigenous genocides around the world also progressive in marxian terms? Does that mean I should support them?
May 7, 2023 at 9:30 am #243177Lizzie45Blocked…just like the man I admire most in history, the Marquis de Sade
Ach ja, Donatien Alphonse François, Comte de Sade!
An arrogant aristocrat who thought he had the right to physically and sexually abuse servants and to kidnap, torture and rape pre-adolescent girls.May 7, 2023 at 10:35 am #243178Thomas_MoreParticipantWho then grew up and became a sound and coherent materialist thinker and writer.
- This reply was modified 1 year, 5 months ago by Thomas_More.
- This reply was modified 1 year, 5 months ago by Thomas_More.
- This reply was modified 1 year, 5 months ago by Thomas_More.
May 7, 2023 at 11:00 am #243186ALBKeymasterFair enough. You reject the materialist conception of history and interpret history in terms of some abstract, eternal principles of morality. It’s not a crime. A lot of people do.
May 7, 2023 at 11:05 am #243188Thomas_MoreParticipantNo I do not. But if it gives you pleasure to say so, so be it.
The overthrow of Charles I. was an essential stage in the English bourgeois revolution. There, I said it, and I acknowledge it.
I still like him for his pluck, and I still oppose his execution.
There! 🙂May 7, 2023 at 11:10 am #243189Thomas_MoreParticipantNext you’ll say Alexandre Dumas was a reactionary for making his musketeers try to save Charles I. in Thirty Years After.
An admirable novel. You’d do well to read it, to give you some “pluck” and buckle your swash a little.May 7, 2023 at 11:36 am #243190ALBKeymasterThat’s reassuring. I was beginning to imagine you dressing up as a cavalier at your Civil War re-enactment society events. Incidentally, the Party will have a stall at the Levellers Day event in Burford on Saturday 20 May. Come dressed as a pikeman if you can make it.
May 7, 2023 at 11:43 am #243191Thomas_MoreParticipantThank you, but i’m housebound.
Horrifically, I did in fact desert to the King’s side, from Devereux’s regiment to Sir Bevill Grenvile’s! (Oh, horror!)
Yes, I had a pash for the three pretty sisters who ran the royalist regt, and preferred being with them to being with beer-bellied middle-aged roundheads.
Not all bad news though. At least I signed up for the rebel side in the 1985 Monmouth re-enactment, and got kicked in the groin by a royalist colonel on Glastonbury Tor.
May 7, 2023 at 11:49 am #243193Lizzie45BlockedWho then grew up and became a sound and coherent materialist thinker and writer.
You reckon having an affair with a 14 year old girl when he was 70, which lasted until his death, is evidence Sade ‘grew up’?
Btw, I seem to remember you siding with TS and supporting war (?)
Your memory is flawed; I did no such thing.
May 7, 2023 at 12:19 pm #243194Thomas_MoreParticipant- This reply was modified 1 year, 5 months ago by Thomas_More.
- This reply was modified 1 year, 5 months ago by Thomas_More.
- This reply was modified 1 year, 5 months ago by Thomas_More.
- This reply was modified 1 year, 5 months ago by Thomas_More.
- This reply was modified 1 year, 5 months ago by Thomas_More.
- This reply was modified 1 year, 5 months ago by Thomas_More.
May 7, 2023 at 12:50 pm #243198Thomas_MoreParticipantI’m going to open a new thread on Sade, because this has gone seriously off topic.
May 8, 2023 at 12:04 am #243222L.B. NeillParticipant“I’m going to open a new thread on Sade, because this has gone seriously off topic.”
No Thomas: not Sadie! Shakespeare’s Rebels maybe?
Or my favourite: The Christian who is a Socialist: paradox or natural synthesis.May 8, 2023 at 6:45 am #243223Thomas_MoreParticipantThe Christian who is a socialist? Hm, that would be Thomas More (the original one, that is).
May 8, 2023 at 8:08 am #243224Lizzie45BlockedHm, that would be Thomas More (the original one, that is).
Someone else who lost his head!
A fitting end for all heretics! 🙂
May 8, 2023 at 1:14 pm #243232twcParticipantIf we analyse the coronation’s symbolic ceremony and sacred oaths, we glimpse their ancient precendent.
A few instances…
- Phenomenon
The Archbishop of Canterbury extracted from Charles a solemn oath of subservience to God and a binding promise to become the Church [of England]’s faithful servant before ever moving toward crowning him.
Glimpse
Antique power relations between church and state.
— - Phenomenon
The king, “long may he reign over us”, extracted undying loyalty from his successor-in-waiting, his son, the Prince of Wales.
Glimpse
Fragility of the royal court.
— - Phenomenon
The antique military presence and ceremony.
Glimpse
Eternal class politics.
-
AuthorPosts
- You must be logged in to reply to this topic.