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    • #85860
      robbo203
      Participant

      Wasnt this supposed to be introduced some time around now?

    • #130324
      jondwhite
      Member

      I would like to see the new website too.

    • #130325
      Dave Chesham
      Participant
      robbo203 wrote:
      New SPGB website?? Wasn't this supposed to be introduced some time around now?
      August 2017 EC minutes wrote:
      i) Report from cde D Poynton of the Internet Committee on the Website upgrade project (email dated 25th July 2017)“The website upgrade / update project has been frozen at a near completed state for some months now. To enable completion of this project I would like to request that we again hire the services of Nathan Lisgo to assist with the final stages. We estimate that the new website can be completed and uploaded to our sever within 33 hours of Nathan's time. The estimate is broken down into tasks as follows: Integrate website menus into the migration : 1 day Configuration of views; Views calendar, front page images and others : 1 day Fix possible problems with forum 'quote' module : 1/2 day (depending on what's found) Fix as yet unknown issues : 1 day Upload to digital ocean server for test phase : 1/2 day Implement of new site on live server : 1/2 day This represents 33 hours which will be £1980 (including VAT). If work is completed in under these hours the remainder will be used on further improvements and tweaks. It would be hoped that the new site would be online before the new year.”

      Since then cde Poynton has resigned from the Internet Committee… and the party.

    • #130326
      alanjjohnstone
      Participant

      That is a pity. I understood he resigned from the IC but i must have missed the bit where he left the Party. However, i am sure he still maintains a comradely attitude and so is there a possibility he can be asked to pass over the reins of the new website and the contact details Nathan Lisgo so that the project can continue.If we approved payment for professional assistance, can we approach DJP and ask if he, too, is willing to accept a paid commission?

    • #130327
      Anonymous
      Inactive

      There doesn't appear to be a whole lot more to do, it has been a huge undertaking converting from the one Drupal 6 CMS (content management system) to Drupal 7, so it's only dependent on how much and how often Darren and Nathan can commit time to it.Once the website update project has been completed, we will be running on two instances of Drupal 7. The site has been built using a GIT repository meaning that the project can easily be passed on to a qualified developer as all the stages of the build have been documented.A new department member Neil Kirk who has experience, has got involved with this update also and will liaise with Darren, again this week and potentially every two weeks after that until it's live.I can't give, I don't have, any more detailed info than that.

    • #130328
      jondwhite
      Member

      Where are we up to with this?

      • #130329
        Dave Chesham
        Participant
        jondwhite wrote:
        Where are we up to with this?

        Having been assured by a member of the Internet Committee that the website upgrade would be completed by February 2018 I shall be raising the matter at the Executive Committee next Saturday.

      • #130330
        admin
        Participant

        The latest we have from Neil, is the following scheduled timetable, he has worked out, 10th Feb, get menu import into code17th Get events to list on new calendar20th Feb get CSS customisations completed25th Feb get new homepage configuration set upEnd of February: have preview site readyMid March: launch

    • #130331
      jondwhite
      Member

      I'm looking forward to the new mobile site.

      • #130332
        Dave Chesham
        Participant
        jondwhite wrote:
        I'm looking forward to the new mobile site.

        An unforeseen issue has arisen with the website upgrade which will hopefully be addressed by Conference.

    • #151323
      robbo203
      Participant

      Still had great difficulty logging in. Is there not a more user friendly way of doing this. How does a newcomer to the forum go about registering?

    • #151411
      alanjjohnstone
      Participant

      Not impressed, either

      • #151545
        admin
        Participant

        I only just saw this. It has been flagged up for action. Perhaps under ‘Forum’, we should have a ‘Join the Forum’ option. Please be patient while it all is worked through.

    • #151548
      ALB
      Participant

      Thanks, Matt, for taking me through the complicated way to rejoin. It worked (I hope). Soon find out.

    • #151549
      ALB
      Participant

      It did and from my phone

    • #151719
      imposs1904
      Participant

      Sorry, but I hope this is a “work in progress” because as it currently stands the website’s an embarrassment. It’s arguably one of the worst websites I’ve seen in years. YEARS.

      If anyone thinks I’m out of order for my comment, please take into account that I spent hundreds of hours keeping the Socialist Standard Past and Present blog updated whilst the Party website was down. I am incredibly frustrated by this.

      • #151720
        robbo203
        Participant

        I have mixed views on this matter. Some aspects of the new website are good, some bad.

        Since it is still a work in progress can I suggest people start compiling a list of practical suggestions to help improve the site rather than (just) make generalised statements. We need to help and encourage the people putting in all the hard graft to make this site better.

        Ill start the ball rolling with some suggestions myself

        – Make the log-in and registration procedure much more user friendly and obvious for us technophobes

        – the text on this page under ‘upcoming events’ and the ‘latest from socialism or your money back blog’ is so faint it is barely legible. Could it not be put in bold or enlarged?

        – wasn’t there talk earlier of introducing a like/dislike button for comments on the forum?

        – I prefer the old way of presenting the SS in the format of separate articles. This allows you to post links on Facebook etc which refer exclusively to the article in question

        Any other suggestions?

      • #151741
        Dave Chesham
        Participant

        Many of your concerns, Robbo, were discussed by the Party’s Executive Committee yesterday and Comrade K, who is both a member of the EC and the Internet Committee, made a list of tasks to be addressed and actioned. There will doubtless be many others that come to light over the next few days and weeks.

        • This reply was modified 1 year, 5 months ago by Dave Chesham.
      • #151745
        robbo203
        Participant

        That’s good to hear, Dave. I’m sure we will get there in the end. Having a really first class website and very user-friendly forum will encourage more and more people to join in the discussion. We should aim to make this the Number One socialist forum anywhere. So its important to get it right and to bear in mind that a lot of us, myself included, are not very computer-literate. The computer geeks need to make things really easy for us techno-simpletons….

        One other thing – how does one go about quoting sections of text from a previous text? This facility no longer seems to exist. Ditto putting text in bold and italics etc etc or editing one’s own posts (important to me given my atrocious spelling)

    • #151737
      alanjjohnstone
      Participant

      I am not accustomed to having to do html to use bold or italics or whatever. Was bad enough having to quote/unquote on the old forum to copy and paste.

      That is one priority to improve.

      The colour of the font, a light grey on a light grey is not amenable to my eye-sight and shared by Robbo

      I understand it will take time so comrades involved in the redesign don’t feel aggrieved by criticism. As Kenny Everett would say “It’s all done in the best possible taste”

      It will also take time for the forum to become as active as previously.

      But truth be told i am not at all sure members do seek to engage in debate and exchange views if the experience of the scant use our Yahoo discussion lists during the Form’s absence is anything to go by.

      • #151743
        Matthew Culbert
        Keymaster

        “– I prefer the old way of presenting the SS in the format of separate articles. This allows you to post links on Facebook etc which refer exclusively to the article in question.”

        It is done in separate articles.

    • #151784
      Anonymous
      Inactive

      IMposs “Sorry, but I hope this is a “work in progress” because as it currently stands the website’s an embarrassment. It’s arguably one of the worst websites I’ve seen in years. YEARS.”
      DITTO

      Absolutely horrendous. Unless this is some form of ‘draft’ then the Party has been robbed.

      I suggest members look at other sites for examples; there are loads of good user friendly designs to choose from.

      A random one.

      http://www.computerforums.org/forums/

    • #151785
      Bijou Drains
      Participant

      Hi Pat

      (Hope all is well with you and yours)
      Whilst I agree that the site doesn’t look fantastic at the moment, since it has been up and running their have been incremental improvements. I would hope comrades would allow a bit of tie to make improvements before being overly critical.

      For my two penn’orth I would like to see a return of the PM function, quote options, preview before posting options, as we used to have.

      Something I would like to have which wasn’t in the old forum would be to have the facility to save draft contributions, so it is possible to return and complete contributions.

    • #151820
      robbo203
      Participant

      Yes I would echo Bijou’s sentiment. Yes there are masses of room for improvement for the site in general and this forum in particular which is unsatisfactory for all sorts of reasons. But its very early days yet. We need to be patient and keep on compiling a list of suggested improvements . Admin has said this is a “work in progress”. Lets treat it as such and not be too judgemental. The end result I am sure is going be one with which everyone will be more than happy – one of the best political websites around and a vigorous and expanding forum drawing in more and more workers

    • #151821
      Anonymous
      Inactive

      Hi Bijou

      I am keeping fine and thanks for asking. Hope life is treating you OK.

      With regard to the forum there is too much wrong with it to be brought up to standard by increments. I should make it clear that I am not criticising the hard work of those involved. I am assuming the design of the forum was ‘outsourced’. There are many ready made examples -templates – of well designed and user friendly forums and I can only suggest members check them out. The design of this forum is far from user friendly or pleasing to look at.

      Anyway keep well

    • #151835
      Bijou Drains
      Participant

      Also I’m not keen on the “Howdy” at the top right hand side, we can loose that straight away, bloody Americanisms!!!!

      • #151885
        Dave Chesham
        Participant

        The “Howdy” has now been replaced with “Hi” and other Americanisms have been dispensed with, such as “favorite”.

    • #151880
      alanjjohnstone
      Participant

      Can i suggest we delete the reading group section of the forum.

      Simply has not been a success as have all the other online reading groups i have encountered. Simply not the best medium for such a venture.

      IMHO they have to be face to face as in book clubs

    • #151976
      Anonymous
      Inactive

      The Socialist Party website ( 2018 ) is pretty nice, but at the SPGB forum, we continue using the same old format which is not very attractive and practical. We should have had something similar to Yahoo forum software. I don’t understand why most members like to post in this forum but they do not post messengers at the WSM forum

    • #151979
      Matthew Culbert
      Keymaster

      To deal with some of the issues highlighted regarding displays of pamphlets,

      I’ve updated the layout for our ‘Historical Materialism’ pamphlet published in 1975 on the website to include navigable hyperlinks and an option of a PDF version. https://www.worldsocialism.org/spgb/pamphlet/151921/

      I’ve updated the layout for our ‘Socialist Principles Explained’ pamphlet published in 2000 on the website to include navigable hyperlinks and an option of a PDF version. https://www.worldsocialism.org/spgb/pamphlet/socialist-principles-explained/

      I’ve updated the layout for our ‘The Market System Must Go!’ pamphlet published in 1997 on the website to include navigable hyperlinks and an option of a PDF version.

      The Market System Most Go!


      I’ve updated the layout for our ‘An Inconvenient Question – Socialism and the Environment’ pamphlet published in ? which on the website to include navigable hyperlinks and an option of a PDF version.

      An Inconvenient Question-Socialism and the Environment

      I’ve updated the layout for our ‘Are We Prisoners of Our Genes? ‘ pamphlet published in 2004 which is on the website to include navigable hyperlinks and an option of a PDF version.

      Are We Prisoners of Our Genes?

      I have added a PDF version to the ‘From Capitalism to Socialism. . . how we live and how we could live’ pamphlet published in 2006 which is on the website.

      From Capitalism to Socialism – How We Live and How We Could Live

      I have added a PDF version to the ‘What’s Wrong With Using Parliament’ pamphlet which on the website.

      What’s Wrong With Using Parliament?

      Here https://www.worldsocialism.org/spgb/pamphlet/

    • #151980
      robbo203
      Participant

      Great stuff. Matt. A big improvement. Things are looking up and I’m sure in the end this is going to be a fantastic website and a real asset to the movement. The biggest challenge, I think, is to improve the forum and then to entice more and more workers into participating in it. We should aim to make it THE premier socialist discussion anywhere. Have all previous users been notified and what plans are afoot to publicise this facility as widely as possible? Also, would it not be a good idea to coopt comrades who have been critical of the present format and are tech savvy – like Darren for example – to informally advise on additional useful features this forum could strive to incorporate? What do you think? More hands and heads make lighter work etc

      • This reply was modified 1 year, 5 months ago by robbo203.
      • #151989
        Matthew Culbert
        Keymaster

        Hi Robin, I had a lengthier reply but lost it when fixing the links in that other reply.

        So briefly, we may be able to use a plugin for the Forum but are holding off for now, as we can not be sure of its compatibility with this particular version of WordPress.

        So we will stick with the present lean and mean one for now

        I believe all previous users will have been contacted.

        There is a bit of work to be done on the main website with some outstanding issues preventing archive updates and this needs to be fixed.

        As there is only myself adding material and Rob doing the Standard,, progress will be slow regardless of advice, tech savvy or not.

        Once the site is finished and the issues previously referred to sorted I can prepare a worksheet for any forthcoming volunteers.

    • #151986
      Dave Chesham
      Participant

      I don’t know whether the links you gave in your post #151979 were intended to take us to the pamphets in question, Matt, but only one, ‘Socialist Principles Explained’, worked for me. The remainder returned the message ‘Oops! That page can’t be found’.

      • #151988
        Matthew Culbert
        Keymaster

        Thanks. Those were on my worksheet and were to the older links. I had to redo them and then delete the originals. I forgot that the links were slightly different. I think they are all pointing correctly now.

    • #151990
      robbo203
      Participant

      Hi Matt

      You are making good progress and Im sure will get in there in the end. I think it is useful to have this kind of two way interaction/ I’m not tech savvy at all so I need to know something of the kind of constraints you operate with and conversely it is useful for you to know how us techno simpletons view things. We tend to like things nice and simple and straightforward! I guess in time additional features will be built into the website (and most particularly the forum which I regard as being absolutely central to the site) which will make everyone happy. I hear what you say about it not being possible to do it all at once with only yourself and Rob working on it

      Just one thing regarding the pamphlet section which is now much improved and in date order – it is not immediately obvious that there are several pages listing pamphlets . Is there a way of highlighting this more clearly – even just stating “more pamphlets” or “older pamphlets” in bold or something and making the dividing line between pamphlets and the current SS at the bottom of the page much thicker to differentiate it from the list of pamphlets. Ditto the Blog details

    • #151991
      robbo203
      Participant

      Also = a quick thought occurred to me . How about a short brief FAQ at the top for the Forum with links on how to register, how to edit posts, how to quote from previous posts etc etc . Is this do-able?

      • #152015
        Matthew Culbert
        Keymaster

        > Hi Matt
        >
        > You are making good progress and Im sure will get in there in the end. I think it is useful to have this kind of two way interaction/ I’m not tech savvy at all

        Nor am I really, just learning as I go and forgetting again and having to relearn. It was easier but a bit laborious previously to just do html but it was not pretty or efficient hence the C.M.S. But the CMS brings its own constraints as to what is possible. It can be adjusted but needs a knowledge of coding and this is specialist.

        > so I need to know something of the kind of constraints you operate with and conversely it is useful for you to know how us techno simpletons view things. We tend to like things nice and simple and straightforward! I guess in time additional features will be built into the website (and most particularly the forum which I regard as being absolutely central to the site) which will make everyone happy. I hear what you say about it not being possible to do it all at once with only yourself and Rob working on it.
        >
        > Just one thing regarding the pamphlet section which is now much improved and in date order – it is not immediately obvious that there are several pages listing pamphlets . Is there a way of highlighting this more clearly – even just stating “more pamphlets” or “older pamphlets” in bold or something and making the dividing line between pamphlets and the current SS at the bottom of the page much thicker to differentiate it from the list of pamphlets. Ditto the Blog details.

        The Pamphlets main page you see is not one of the editable pages which I could put a notice on top of to highlight the links to others at the bottom. I just tried to do it. Sorry. I’ll keep it in mind and get it added in future.

        It is not ALL in date order that was too big a job. (see** below)The pamphlet themselves are individual pages, but the CMS then shifts the latest posting to the top automatically. Which is how I was able to do a workaround to redo the order. The previous CMS had a facility where we could ‘weight’ the pamphlets in order giving them a number and this displayed them according to those specifications. The bloke at the agency was looking at this weighting idea but we couldn’t make any progress as any adjustments to code creates other unforeseen problems. But I had a hunch which worked with this months Standard to put the last page up first and so on, in reverse order so tried this with **more recent pamphlets.

    • #151992
      Dave Chesham
      Participant

      “As there is only myself adding material and Rob doing the Standard,, progress will be slow regardless of advice, tech savvy or not.”

      I’m continuing to add and update events and branch meetings, etc., Matt, and if there’s anything else you think I’m competent enough to do then please say the word. 🙂

      • This reply was modified 1 year, 5 months ago by Dave Chesham.
      • #152016
        Matthew Culbert
        Keymaster

        “I’m continuing to add and update events and branch meetings, etc., Matt, and if there’s anything else you think I’m competent enough to do then please say the word. 🙂”

        Thanks Dave. I hoped you would still be doing this but I didn’t know for sure what arrangements had been made.

    • #152554
      ALB
      Participant

      Alan Johnstone wrote:

      Since we can’t do a preview (something else to be noted to add) I have to experiment in public how this HTML tag to quote works (if it does).

    • #152555
      ALB
      Participant

      Well it didn’t, so trying something else:

    • #152556
      ALB
      Participant

      That didn’t work either. What I was trying to do was quote something using <blockquote cite= What should I have done?

      • #152557
        Matthew Culbert
        Keymaster

        Try this.
        Quote
        That was blockquote inside <>

        remember to do a closed one after it.

        bold

        italic

    • #152559
      ALB
      Participant

      OK

      I am not accustomed to having to do html to use bold or italics or whatever. Was bad enough having to quote/unquote on the old forum to copy and paste. </quote>

    • #152560
      ALB
      Participant

      OK. Should have ended /blockquote. Like this (I hope).

      I am not accustomed to having to do html to use bold or italics or whatever. Was bad enough having to quote/unquote on the old forum to copy and paste.

    • #152565
      ALB
      Participant

      Eureka. That was a quote from Alan J. Now I now how to do bold and italics as well.
      Why does the passage quoted appear so large?

    • #152566
      Matthew Culbert
      Keymaster

      Eureka. That was a quote from Alan J. Now I now how to do bold and italics as well.
      Why does the passage quoted appear so large?

      I think it was the ‘blockquote cite’= of Alan’s does that. Yes definitely i just checked. You end with just the ‘/blockquote’.

    • #152686
      ALB
      Participant

      I don’t think the large size or the italics has to do with Alan J’s eyesight. It seems to be built into <blockquote . Another minor glitch to iron out?

    • #153493
      J Surman
      Participant

      Phew, at last!

      I’ve spent hours over days trying to get in to the forum and here I am , with nothing to say – except, having read the previous comments on this thread, I would only be repeating others’ frustrations.

      Now I’ve found my way in I need a long rest and just hope I’ll get it right when i have another go tomorrow.

    • #155189
      ALB
      Participant

      Since we’ve just been joined by our first troll since re-opening, another p.m.: To restore the way to deal with them that we had before, whatever it was. Was it moderating their posts before they appeared or something like that?

    • #174520
      vincentM
      Participant

      Not one to keep my opinions to myself –

      I have noticed on the party’s yahoo list that some members are not satisfied with this £10,000 forum. I am no longer a member but visit the forum now and then  and feel compelled to repeat my initial feelings on this subject.

      The forum is not fit for purpose and therefore absolute robbery and the party must have some legal recourse. It did not – does not have – have even the basic facilities required.

      It would be even worse if it wasn’t for the hard working party members patching it up

       

      IMposs “Sorry, but I hope this is a “work in progress” because as it currently stands the website’s an embarrassment. It’s arguably one of the worst websites I’ve seen in years. YEARS.”
      DITTO

      Absolutely horrendous. Unless this is some form of ‘draft’ then the Party has been robbed.

      I suggest members look at other sites for examples; there are loads of good user friendly designs to choose from.

      A random one.

      http://www.computerforums.org/forums/ 

      ” 😐

    • #174522
      vincentM
      Participant

      Free VBulletin Skins for building user friendly websites

       

      http://www.themesbase.com/vBulletin-Skins/

    • #174689
      Anonymous
      Inactive

      I have to say having recently got back involved and not being up to speed about the cyber attack until recently, that the current website although functional looks dated and this forum is positively archaic. I find it very un-intuitive to paste links, quote etc. I have to say I agree with some of the criticisms above and was quite shocked at the costs of recovery and the time/results.

      I understand comrades are working hard to maintain and improve the site, but for the fees involved, its not perhaps as appealing or easy to use as it should be.

    • #174706
      alanjjohnstone
      Participant

      <p>Even when i edit i’m still getting code on my posts</p><p>I also have this appearing</p><p>”Failed to load plugin: wordpress from url https://www.worldsocialism.org/spgb/wp-includes/js/tinymce/plugins/wordpress/plugin.min.js”</p&gt;

      • #174772
        Matthew Culbert
        Keymaster

        <p>Even when i edit i’m still getting code on my posts</p><p>I also have this appearing</p>

        Why do you wish to use <p></p> or any other code?

        I edited a couple of your recent posts which had the above.

        If you want to embolden text highlight it and then use the B

        If you want to separate it a line use [ Return] on your keyboard.

        If you wish to add a link, highlight it and click on the paperclip link thing above and enter the url on the ‘insert link’ screen.

        ”Failed to load plugin: wordpress from url

        You do not say what you were doing to get this error so I am none the wiser.

        I had already added a plugin to this BBpress Forum the tool bar above your post screen, which posters said at the time said in feedback, improved it a little, called TinyMCE although it hadn’t been tested with this version of WordPress.

        The message you got may have something to do with this.

         

        But that is a mere guess on my part as I don’t know what you were doing prior to this.

    • #174753
      J Surman
      Participant

      I can’t help thinking that these problems are responsible for the fewer numbers of participants. I read but rarely attempt to post.

      One unresolved problem for me is that whatever i try i cannot unsubscribe from follow up replies to this thread.

      • #174773
        Matthew Culbert
        Keymaster

        I can’t help thinking that these problems are responsible for the fewer numbers of participants. I read but rarely attempt to post.

        That was rapidly becoming the case in the previous Forum. I just scan the headlines and read interesting to me posts only.

        I am only posting here now because I am in the IT department.

    • #174754
      J Surman
      Participant

      Hmmm – having just written the previous, unticked the box for the 94th time, posted the previous – the tick box has remained unticked – hooray, fingers crossed.

    • #174791
      alanjjohnstone
      Participant

      There is also a lack of visitors to Libcom forum

      As for code, it is a side effect of copying then pasting. I never used them. They automatically appear

      • #174860
        Matthew Culbert
        Keymaster

        As for code, it is a side effect of copying then pasting. I never used them. They automatically appear

        You should always make a habit and paste ‘unformatted’. Then you can add links. It is the same on Blogger which is why we get different text sizes appearing on posts.

    • #174792
      alanjjohnstone
      Participant

      Looked on google for that message…got to reinstall wordpress it said….no idea how but if it has no visible problem, i’ll try an ignore it

    • #174827
      vincentM
      Participant

      This is not the fault of members. It is the fault of the company supplying the digital goods

      I am no legal eagle but If one buys something that is not fit for purpose then a total refund can be demanded.

      I have found these basic functions are lacking I am sure there are more

      No PM Function

      No quote function

      No ‘Report’ button

      No Private messaging

      No ‘Preview message’ function

      No User List and who is online

      No search facility

      No Poll creation

      No ‘share’ function’ for social media

      No Message rating

      Can’t change Avatar

      But all these are minor problems alongside the forum’s lack of user friendliness, and the fact that basic function that have been included are not easily identified and accessible

      As shown in this example

      Simple Blue SMF Theme Template

      • This reply was modified 1 year, 3 months ago by vincentM.
      • #174861
        Matthew Culbert
        Keymaster

        It is the fault of the company supplying the digital goods

        It is not anyones fault. The company did the job the job they were paid to do.

        It wasn’t their job to do any webdesign.

        It was their job to get us up and running again so we could get the Standard out and very importantly save all of the archives.

        To recover the files and disinfect them and install a WordPress site.

        They saved the data including subscriber info and made it all safe.

        They didn’t charge too much or too little.

        There is much more to the website than just the forum.

        We can do a different design model later in-house for the site but the emphasis is on free, opensource and surveilance free software.

        As we are stuck with this one for the time  being we’ll have to learn to love its quirks and in my case learn from its quirks.

        Some of the stuff you have detailed can be added but all in good time.

        There is a Search facility on the site.

        Why do we need any of this below?

        No ‘Report’ button

        You can use the ‘Contact forum admin’ if there is a problem.

        No Private messaging

        Some members are happy about that

        No User List and who is online

        Why should there be, is the internet not intrusive enough?

    • #174900
      alanjjohnstone
      Participant

      Matt, my snags have either appear to been fixed by your good self, or the magic of computers has done it.

    • #174901
      alanjjohnstone
      Participant

      VM, Libcom has a forum far better than our own but they also have little traffic. Same amount of regular posters as us and not many new visitors from the public.

      I think SPGB members are wearying of talking to ourselves, hence the few participants.

      So rather than improving the appearance of the forum, i’d suggest we look again at its purpose.

      It is not reaching out to our fellow-workers and attracting them to make enquiries about our ideas (albeit there are a couple of notable exceptions) Making it more user-friendly could help but i’m not too hopeful.

      It’s not providing a fulcrum for members to debate and discuss topics apart from a handful of us who believe disagreements are a healthy process of acquiring further knowledge.

      However, i have come to appreciate the forum’s usefulness in sharing information and interpreting it. A quick survey of the popular threads indicate this.

      Perhaps as an Information and Data-bank might be a better reason for this forum’s existence.

      For comradely chit-chat perhaps we can devise something else as i think the SOCIAL part of the SOCIAList Party is important.

       

    • #175630
      vincentM
      Participant

      Alan I agree with some of what you say .

      I think the ‘proboard’ or discussion forum is rapidly being replaced with social media such as ‘twitter’ ‘facebook etc but my point is that the forum is not fit for purpose.  If I brought a washer or laptop from Comet and they didn’t work as they were supposed to I for one would not be satisfied with ‘We did our best’  . I’v always returned faulty items to the vender

      However, just ignore me I was merely offering an opinion.  If the party is satisfied then so am I 😉

       

      • This reply was modified 1 year, 2 months ago by vincentM.
      • This reply was modified 1 year, 2 months ago by vincentM.
    • #175633
      Matthew Culbert
      Keymaster

      It is early days yet and it will continue to evolve as long as we keep it comradely.

      Yes it was me sweeping up the rogue code off your posts.

      I needed to be sure nothing was inadvertently  being imported. It looked OK, but I am a wee bit paranoid at the moment. 🙂

    • #175634
      alanjjohnstone
      Participant

      Matt, i hope you don’t mean you will have to permanently re-edit my posts so not taking up your valuable time. If it is, i’m content with the inconvenience and others will just have to bear with it.

      I know full well the hard work you put in behind the scenes (or should that be screens )  i don’t want to distract you from that

    • #175636
      Dave Chesham
      Participant

      “I know full well the hard work you put in behind the scenes (or should that be screens ) i don’t want to distract you from that.”

      The bottom line is that he shouldn’t have to; imagine we were an organisation lacking the expertise possessed by Matt and others…

    • #175652
      vincentM
      Participant

      Matt said:

      “There is much more to the website than just the forum.

      We can do a different design model later in-house for the site but the emphasis is on free, opensource and surveilance free software.”

      Thanks for the explanation Matt, I understand it a bit more now.

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