Gaza Protests

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  • #132584
    ALB
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    In one debate on Syria the US ambassador to the UN asked her Russian counterpart how he could sleep at night for supporting the "monster Assad" who killed children and criticised him for using his veto to stop UN endorsement of a US-led bombing of Syria. But when it comes to Gaza what happens? No denunciaton of the "monster Netanyahu" for shooting unarmed civilians including children or calling the Israeli government a mere "regime". No, the US exercises its veto to prevent a mild statement calling for an investigation of what happened:www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/afp/article-5732039/Kuwait-wants-draft-Gaza-resolution-US-defends-Israel.htmlAlso, note that she put all the blame for what happened on Hamas for "cynically" organising the protests.But there was no criticism of the Jihadis of Douma for "cynically" organising the actual bombing of civilians in Damascus.Hopefully, people may be beginning to see that none of the "Great Powers" are really interested in what happens to civilians but only in protecting and furthering their economic and strategic interests, as always under capitalism.

    #132585
    alanjjohnstone
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    An article on American media representations of the Gaza shootings that under-play Israels killing of civilianshttps://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/may/16/israel-palestine-us-news-headlines-mysterious-deaths

    #132586
    alanjjohnstone
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    The battle of words and picturesAccording to a report in the Israeli newspaper Haaretz, Israeli military spokesman Lt Col Jonathan Conricus, told members of the Jewish Federations of North America: “We haven’t been able to get that message out of how it is from our side, what we are defending – and the ‘winning picture’ overwhelmingly, by a knockout, unfortunately, have been the graphics from the Palestinian side. The amount of casualties has done us a tremendous disservice, unfortunately, and it has been very difficult to tell our story.”https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/may/16/un-human-rights-council-special-session-gazaAn in-depth 2013 Pew Research study found a decline in attachment to Israel among non-religious American Jews. Only 38% of Jewish-American respondents overall said the Israeli government was making a sincere effort to establish peace with the Palestinians.The massacre by Israeli soldiers of dozens of Palestinians in Gaza this week has prompted a new round of protests by progressive Jewish-American groups who object to the relocation of the US embassy to Jerusalem – and who lump the Donald Trump and Benjamin Netanyahu administrations together as enemies of peace in the region. Groups such as IfNotNow, Jewish Voice for Peace, J Street, Jews for Racial and Economic Justice and others began to step up protest activity – marches, vigils and community meet-ups. American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) and other influential US-based institutions are increasingly being taken to task by groups with younger members and different views on what it means to support the Jewish state. Ethan Miller, a spokesman for IfNotNow said, “We’re actually going to be taking action and building a movement within our communities to make sure that we’re no longer part of supporting the occupation, and our community is actively working against it…What we’ve realized is that on the one hand the American Jewish community teaches its people about the values of social justice, of looking out for your neighbor – and on the other hand there are large institutions that do a lot of work to support and uphold the occupation.“And that’s a hypocrisy that we’re no longer willing to accept. We know that we have to put our values first.”Rebecca Vilkomerson, executive director of Jewish Voice for Peace, said, “Monday I thought was one of the most disgraceful days in the history of the Israeli relationship to Palestinians, with the celebration of annexation – even as Palestinians, the vast majority of whom are refugees, were being gunned down, just for protesting their basic rights to live in dignity and freedom. The idea that this is being done in our name, or being justified in our name, is absolutely unacceptable…there’s a lot of people who feel alienated from their Jewishness, because of the way that Jewish institutions are mindlessly supporting Israel. People are finding their way back to us, and back to their Jewishness, through places like JVP.”” “For several decades, the Jewish establishment has asked American Jews to check their liberalism at Zionism’s door, and now, to their horror, they are finding that many young Jews have checked their Zionism instead,” the editor and writer Peter Beinart warned in an influential 2010https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/may/16/israel-palestine-protests-american-jewish-groups

    #132587
    alanjjohnstone
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    Hamas V. Fatahhttps://dissidentvoice.org/2018/05/hamas-and-fatah-why-the-two-groups-are-failing/Jonathan Cook is an on-site credible reporter Ghassan Khatib, a former cabinet minister in the Palestinian Authority (PA), “Neither the armed resistance of Hamas nor the diplomacy of Fatah has made any gains,” he told Al Jazeera. “They are failed governments, and the public is deeply dissatisfied.” …events are also likely to underscore how much ground they have lost to Israel – and how the pressure for new thinking is coming from the ground up, not from the leadership. “But there are strong vested interests that will try to maintain the current situation,” he said, pointing to the Palestinians’ dependence on foreign donors, Israel’s control over the transfer of income to the PA, and in turn the vast number of families relying on PA salaries. “Neither Fatah nor Hamas are in a position to advance popular struggle. They are bureaucratic governments, with structures, leaders and ideologies that militate against non-violence as a tactic.”Ahmed Al-Naouq, a youth activist in Gaza, pointed out that the focus of the protests was the demand that the refugees – a large majority of Gaza’s population – be allowed to return to the lands, now in Israel, they were expelled from in 1948.“In Gaza we are more creative and flexible in our thinking because we have no other choice. We want to break out of this prison,” he told Al Jazeera. “My father worked for many years inside Israel. We are ready to live alongside Israeli Jews in peace – they need to set aside their fears.”Diana Buttu, a former legal adviser to the Palestine Liberation Organisation (PLO) “It is significant that there has been a steady increase in support for one state among the Palestinian public, now at around 30 per cent,” Buttu said. “That is surprising, given that today not one Palestinian party, in the West Bank and Gaza or the 48 areas [of Israel], publicly supports it…Gradually Hamas has adopted the two-state formula, plus, in its case, a long-term truce with Israel…Thrall observed that what happens in occupied East Jerusalem could prove decisive. Israel, he noted, was extremely concerned about large numbers of Palestinians there seeking Israeli citizenship and voting in city elections. If a majority starts applying for citizenship that could prove to be a deadly blow to a two-state solution, and it could happen very rapidly,” he said. That might be the point at which other Palestinians were driven into mass protests for equal rights in a single state, along the lines of a civil rights or anti-apartheid struggle.I recall many years ago, Bill Martin suggesting the very same strategy and i have never forgotten it.

    #132588
    Anonymous
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    alanjjohnstone wrote:
    Hamas V. Fatahhttps://dissidentvoice.org/2018/05/hamas-and-fatah-why-the-two-groups-are-failing/Jonathan Cook is an on-site credible reporter Ghassan Khatib, a former cabinet minister in the Palestinian Authority (PA), “Neither the armed resistance of Hamas nor the diplomacy of Fatah has made any gains,” he told Al Jazeera. “They are failed governments, and the public is deeply dissatisfied.” …events are also likely to underscore how much ground they have lost to Israel – and how the pressure for new thinking is coming from the ground up, not from the leadership. “But there are strong vested interests that will try to maintain the current situation,” he said, pointing to the Palestinians’ dependence on foreign donors, Israel’s control over the transfer of income to the PA, and in turn the vast number of families relying on PA salaries. “Neither Fatah nor Hamas are in a position to advance popular struggle. They are bureaucratic governments, with structures, leaders and ideologies that militate against non-violence as a tactic.”Ahmed Al-Naouq, a youth activist in Gaza, pointed out that the focus of the protests was the demand that the refugees – a large majority of Gaza’s population – be allowed to return to the lands, now in Israel, they were expelled from in 1948.“In Gaza we are more creative and flexible in our thinking because we have no other choice. We want to break out of this prison,” he told Al Jazeera. “My father worked for many years inside Israel. We are ready to live alongside Israeli Jews in peace – they need to set aside their fears.”Diana Buttu, a former legal adviser to the Palestine Liberation Organisation (PLO) “It is significant that there has been a steady increase in support for one state among the Palestinian public, now at around 30 per cent,” Buttu said. “That is surprising, given that today not one Palestinian party, in the West Bank and Gaza or the 48 areas [of Israel], publicly supports it…Gradually Hamas has adopted the two-state formula, plus, in its case, a long-term truce with Israel…Thrall observed that what happens in occupied East Jerusalem could prove decisive. Israel, he noted, was extremely concerned about large numbers of Palestinians there seeking Israeli citizenship and voting in city elections. If a majority starts applying for citizenship that could prove to be a deadly blow to a two-state solution, and it could happen very rapidly,” he said. That might be the point at which other Palestinians were driven into mass protests for equal rights in a single state, along the lines of a civil rights or anti-apartheid struggle.I recall many years ago, Bill Martin suggesting the very same strategy and i have never forgotten it.

    Hamas was the ISIS of Israel created in order to make opposition to the PLO.The goverment of Israel will do anything in order to stay in an area named as Middle East, a name given by England and the USA to a  region that belongs to Africa, and is part of Africa,  the real Israelite are from North-East Africa

    #132589
    alanjjohnstone
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    For peace to be achieved in Northern Ireland and in South Africa, it had to be accepted that the settlers, the Ulster Protestants and the Boers/Whites were entitled to stay and the idea of removal was an impossibility.I think you forget that it was more than the US/UK who approved the creation of the state of Israel. It was the UN and the USSR also supported it and Stalin was instrumental in its creation. An Israeli born on independence day is now 70 years old. Those over 65 is now less than 10% so 90% were born within Israel.There is no good raising racial definitions such as Khazars (supposedly the origin of Ashkenazi Jews) as i often find in the comments of websites. I suspect DNA studies when it comes to determining race and nationality.We oppose the proposed state of Palestine as much as we do the existing state of Israel  The Al-Masri family practically dominates the economy of the West Bank and a future Palestine would serve their interests not the workers as witnessed today  

    #132590
    Anonymous
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    alanjjohnstone wrote:
    For peace to be achieved in Northern Ireland and in South Africa, it had to be accepted that the settlers, the Ulster Protestants and the Boers/Whites were entitled to stay and the idea of removal was an impossibility.I think you forget that it was more than the US/UK who approved the creation of the state of Israel. It was the UN and the USSR also supported it and Stalin was instrumental in its creation. An Israeli born on independence day is now 70 years old. Those over 65 is now less than 10% so 90% were born within Israel.There is no good raising racial definitions such as Khazars (supposedly the origin of Ashkenazi Jews) as i often find in the comments of websites. I suspect DNA studies when it comes to determining race and nationality.We oppose the proposed state of Palestine as much as we do the existing state of Israel  The Al-Masri family practically dominates the economy of the West Bank and a future Palestine would serve their interests not the workers as witnessed today  

    i am not talking about the creation of Israel it is the region which was named as Middle East by the Europeans and usa like it was done in the America when they have names already.  For more than  900 years they will lived together and in peace and harmony and they freely practiced their  religions 

    #132591
    alanjjohnstone
    Keymaster

    Israel's Supreme Court on Thursday rejected a legal challenge by six rights groups against the military's use of lethal force against Palestinians in Gaza.The groups had asked the court to declare any regulations allowing Israeli troops to fire at unarmed civilians as unlawful.However, the court unanimously sided with the military, arguing that the weeks-long Palestinian protests that raged on the Gaza border took place in the context of Israel's long-running "armed conflict" with the Islamic militant group Hamas. Rules concerning of armed conflict provide greater leeway to use live fire that those governing other law enforcement practices.http://www.dw.com/en/israel-supreme-court-upholds-use-of-lethal-force-against-palestinians-during-protests/a-43921338

    #132592
    alanjjohnstone
    Keymaster

    Israel’s supreme court has ruled in favour of demolishing a Bedouin village in the occupied West Bank.It found “no reason to intervene in the decision of the minister of defence to implement the demolition orders issued against the illegal structures in Khan al-Ahmar”.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khan_al-Ahmar The residents would be relocated elsewhere, it added, in a move critics say amounts to forcible transfer. The village was built without the relevant building permits. Such permits are nearly impossible to obtain for Palestinians in Israeli-controlled areas of the West Bank.Earlier on Thursday, Israel’s defence minister, Avigdor Lieberman, announced 2,500 new settlement units in the West Bank. All settlements are considered illegal under international law.https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/may/25/israel-court-approves-razing-khan-al-ahmar-bedouin-village

    #132594
    alanjjohnstone
    Keymaster

    Not sure i would equate the Israeli Government with German Nazis but i would be inclined to make a comparison with South African Apartheid

    #132595
    Anonymous
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    alanjjohnstone wrote:
    Not sure i would equate the Israeli Government with German Nazis but i would be inclined to make a comparison with South African Apartheid

    i would make it harder.  The nazis are boys scouts compared to the alliance. USA-Israel   

    #132596
    Anonymous
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    Marcos wrote:
    i would make it harder.  The nazis are boys scouts compared to the alliance. USA-Israel   

      

    #132593
    Anonymous
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    alanjjohnstone wrote:
    Israel’s supreme court has ruled in favour of demolishing a Bedouin village in the occupied West Bank.It found “no reason to intervene in the decision of the minister of defence to implement the demolition orders issued against the illegal structures in Khan al-Ahmar”.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khan_al-Ahmar The residents would be relocated elsewhere, it added, in a move critics say amounts to forcible transfer. The village was built without the relevant building permits. Such permits are nearly impossible to obtain for Palestinians in Israeli-controlled areas of the West Bank.Earlier on Thursday, Israel’s defence minister, Avigdor Lieberman, announced 2,500 new settlement units in the West Bank. All settlements are considered illegal under international law.https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/may/25/israel-court-approves-razing-khan-al-ahmar-bedouin-village

    I don't see any difference between the government of Israel, its rulers and German Nazis. They have turned Palestine into a concentration camp, they consider the Palestinians and the Arabs as inferior human beings,  Around the world peoples are saying that a Palestinian is a Holocaust survivor

    #132597
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    #132598
    alanjjohnstone
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    Israel has begun working on a barrier off the Mediterranean coast to prevent infiltrations by sea from the Gaza strip, a fortified breakwater topped with barbed wire. Israel has begun working on a barrier off the Mediterranean coast to prevent infiltrations by sea from the Gaza strip.http://www.dw.com/en/israel-erecting-sea-barrier-to-prevent-gaza-infiltrators/a-43950834

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