Designs for proposed new Head Office signage
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ALB wrote:To have "The Socialist Party SPGB" on the fascia would be worse than having "The Socialist Party of Great Britain." While a case can be made out for the latter there is no resolution that can justify the former which is just plain silly. Either we use one name or the other, not two at the same time.
I tend to agree but see no reason not to utilise the four blank panels below the fascia for the acronym SPGB.
Quote:A compromise would be to have THE SOCIALIST PARTY on one line in big letters with "of Great Britain" in (much) smaller size on a line beneath it.Depending on how much smaller I may well be persuaded on this one. But consideration has to be given for the inclusion of a recognisable logo and the website address as well.
Most organisations have ONE logo, emblem symbol or whatever, that appears at the head of all publications, Note paper. the top of internet sites etc making the party immediatley recognisable. The party's stamp.Avoids confusion. ONLY ONE
Shouldn't the new fascia design be place at the top of all the party's internet sites and leaflets, statements etc? It makes sense. Edit: I am not sying the design is ideal or one I would have come up with as I know there is a lot of disagreement about it. My point is we should come up with ONE that identifies the party and use it everywhere. Personally I like THE WORLD SOCIALIST MOVEMENT which would be more in line with the party's wishes re the use of the party's name.
I would have preferred something simple like:
I understand that the party 'logo' or 'emblem' is next but surely fascia, emblem or logo should be the same thing. Most organisations have one logo that identifies them and appears on shop front, internet sites, note paper etc https://www.google.co.uk/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&rlz=1C1CHFX_en-GBGB564GB564&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=examples%20of%20logos
Is it surprising that the SPGB is the least known and least recognised party in the country? There is no commonality of design or logo on any of the SPGB publications. One logo and design should be used on all publications, immediately identifying the party The following are all different. All should have a party stamp at the head. To the casual on-looker these appear to be seperate organisationsSpintcomSpopenbranch yahoo sitesSpgb website and forumShop frontBadge type logos – how many designs are there?blogssocialist standardmultitude of pamphlets and leaflets
I know the design for the HO fascia has been decided upon, (design E pos t#20) but I was talking with my partner about this the other day and I showed her the designs and the one to be used. She pointed out something I hadn't caught on to. The colour red. She pointed out that colours have associations, such as the 4 big supermarkets green, orange, blue and yellow. For my partner the association with red in politics is the Labour party, then China and the former Soviet Union.When I thought about this, it struck me as spot on, red is the colour associated with the "left".We both agreed the first design on this thread was the strongest. It's not red for starters, it has the WSM globe logo and a web address contact.But hey, we aint party members.
I was thinking about the four panels below the main fascia. As the SPGB is a companion party of the WSM it might be an idea to have the names of the companion parties in each of the four panels.Something along the lines of the WSM globe with the name of the party wrapped around it.
Hi SP, I have raised this general subject with my branch and it will be discussed here at the September meeting.
SocialistPunk wrote:I know the design for the HO fascia has been decided upon, (design E pos t#20) but I was talking with my partner about this the other day and I showed her the designs and the one to be used. She pointed out something I hadn't caught on to. The colour red. She pointed out that colours have associations, such as the 4 big supermarkets green, orange, blue and yellow. For my partner the association with red in politics is the Labour party, then China and the former Soviet Union.When I thought about this, it struck me as spot on, red is the colour associated with the "left".We both agreed the first design on this thread was the strongest. It's not red for starters, it has the WSM globe logo and a web address contact.But hey, we aint party members.I think the word "socialist" is pretty much synonymous with the "left" in the public mind anyhow..But it's worse than that. Red and Black are the colours of the anarcho-syndicalists, we should not be trying to adopt there regalia by any means..I agree with the first design being the best, but it to late.. For now at least..
DJP wrote:But it's worse than that. Red and Black are the colours of the anarcho-syndicalists, we should not be trying to adopt there regalia by any means..They were also the colours of the NSDAP. It would very difficult to find any colour or combination of colours that haven't been used by some other political organisation either now or in the past. I'm more than happy with the Red and Black which, to me, most closely personifies our political outlook.It's now time to draw a line under this discussion which first started four years ago. All the 33 designs were published long before any decision was made and any objections could and should have been made then. Those few still carping either missed the boat, lost the argument or chose not to participate in the process.On a more positive note I'm pleased to inform that the new HO fascia sign will be installed early next month. I'm indebted to comrade Mandy Bruce who not only devised many of the designs including the successful one, but will also oversee and participate in its manufacture and to her partner and his colleague who will be undertaking the installation.HO Sign Project Officer
Good point DJP.To make light of the situation. What we have is a pinch of "left wing" socialist, a smattering of anarcho-syndicalism with a large dollop of "right wing" Great British, national pride. Still a good design though.
gnome wrote:Those few still carping either missed the boat, lost the argument or chose not to participate in the process.As far as I know the membership where not consulted on the final decision.But anyway it is an improvment on the previous sign.
gnome wrote:It would very difficult to find any colour or combination of colours that haven't been used by some other political organisation either now or in the past. I'm more than happy with the Red and Black which, to me, most closely personifies our political outlook.I agree. The Nazi flag uses the same colours as the anarchists. We could go on forever about colours and designs but it is the consistency that is important. if we have adopted the design then it should be useded everywhere the party is.Why is it not at the head of this site and the party's other sites? Like: Spintcom, facebook etc and https://uk.groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/NERBranchSPGB-WSM/infoYou would think that we were deliberately hiding ourselves
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