Chinese Tensions

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  • #249743

    I don’t think China wants war in the area, at best America could use Taiwan to try and provoke one: according to this article at least…

    As the Ukraine war has shown, missiles can down a fleet, so naval empires don’t have it as easy as they did.

    #249744
    Thomas_More
    Participant

    So now we’re saying the US does want war with China?
    How long would both sides then tolerate the heavy losses involved without going nuclear?
    See what i mean?

    #249745
    ALB
    Keymaster

    No, I don’t.

    If you think capitalist states don’t want to avoid a world war, ask yourself why NATO and Russia are anxious to avoid a direct confrontation in Ukraine.

    It’s the same with China and the US. Neither sides wants an all-out war because both would be losers.

    #249746
    Thomas_More
    Participant

    But maybe they’ll feel they’ve no option. Unless they use Taiwan as a proxy battlefield?

    #249752
    ALB
    Keymaster

    There are plenty of other options short of war. What’s the issue — control of the trade route through the South China Sea. Why would China go to war over that? Why would the US unless China did something incredibly stupid like try to block ships going through it or try to invade Taiwan? But why would China invade Taiwan, destroying much of the manufacturing resources there in the process?

    Relax, the apocalypse is not going to happen on 14 January. And if you think it is, go out and enjoy the last 5 days of your life. But don’t do anything too silly like spending all your money — just in case it doesn’t happen.

    #249758
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    If you think capitalist states don’t want to avoid a world war, ask yourself why NATO and Russia are anxious to avoid a direct confrontation in Ukraine.

    It’s the same with China and the US. Neither sides wants an all-out war because both would be losers.

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    It was the same case of the USA and the Soviet Union, they never had any direct confrontations. They manufactured many advanced weapons but they never used them, and when the Soviet Union run out of funds they abandoned many military projects that they had. Both knew that a direct confrontation was the destruction of both

    #249759

    This analysis suggests the Chinese posturing is about bolstering the CCP’s nationalist credentials, but that it may have reached its limits (note, though, the slowed growth rate of 3%, an actual contraction in China could be catastrophic).

    #249812
    Thomas_More
    Participant

    Taiwan: independantists winning presidential vote but Kuomintang winning majority within the parliament. So very unlikely island will go for independence.

    #249815
    ALB
    Keymaster

    I don’t think that was very likely anyway unless the separatists were to be so foolish as to try what the nationalists did in Catalonia. Anyway they only got 40 percent of the vote and so wouldn’t have majority support for such an adventure.

    Just heard an unofficial spokesperson for mainland China say that they regarded the election as a local election and would respect the result unless the new administration did try to breakaway. He seemed as unconcerned about the result of the presidential election as the British establishment was about the SNP winning the Scottish Parliament elections.

    So unless the new president does a Catalonia it looks like Armageddon is off the agenda (not that it was ever really on).

    #249816
    Thomas_More
    Participant

    British news, of course, saying China will be riled.

    #249817
    ALB
    Keymaster

    I was watching Aljazera and the person being interviewed was Victor Gao:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Gao

    I see he is a member of the “Revolutionary Committee of the Chinese Kuomintang” which, apparently, is allowed to exist in mainland China alongside some other minor parties. I didn’t know that or that there were Taiwanese of Japanese descent. You live and learn.

    #249820
    Thomas_More
    Participant

    Japan occupied the island in the 1890s and Japanese settlers moved there, integrating well with the population, who were Hokka-speaking Chinese and Formosans. Japan’s occupation marked the end of the 19th century Formosan Republic.
    Unlike later conquests, the Japanese did not subject the islanders to the cruelties of a later period, and there was peace on the island and inter-marriage. Japanese became the second language.
    When Japan surrendered in 1945, advance forces of the KMT arrived from China and Chiang Kai-shek put General Chen Yi in charge of subduing the population. As shown in the film CITY OF SORROW, mass murder was immediately unleashed, with reprisals from the Taiwanese which were crushed.

    The Chinese Communist Party was originally part of the Kuomintang in China, from which it was purged in April 1927.
    A remnant of the Left KMT was allowed to remain in existence by Mao, and was represented by Sun Yat-sen’s wife, Soong Ch’ing-ling, who had opted to support Mao, while her younger sister, Soong Mei-ling, married Chiang Kai-shek and went with him to Taiwan.

    The first sign of a move to independence would be for Taiwan to dump its Chinese KMT flag.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_City_of_Sadness

    #249827
    chelmsford
    Participant

    At a state dinner given for Nixon, a US diplomat asked Mao what would have happened if Khrushchev rather than Kennedy had been assassinated. Mao thought for a bit and replied: I don’t think Mr. Onassis would have married Mrs Khrushchev.
    Although indifferent to the suffering of millions of peasants thanks to his agricultural policy, Mao did have a sense of humour.

    #249828
    Thomas_More
    Participant

    Not any humour i can see.

    Mao a sexist as well as a speciesist.

    #249830
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    I do not think Mao Tse Tung said that. It is all part of a conspiracy theory that implies that Onassis was part of the assassination of JFK. Probably, SOYMB has a better theory:
    https://socialismoryourmoneyback.blogspot.com/2013/11/the-real-jfk-conspiracy.html

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