Charlie Hebdo Attacked in Paris

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  • #107578
    alanjjohnstone
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    A story asking a question i asked earlier on this thread back at #19…about the Nigerian slaughterSo what makes one atrocity more important…well, starts with who were killed and where they were killed rather than why they were killed …sometimes the how is more important…a swift beheading is classed as more horrific than being raped to death…http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jan/12/-sp-boko-haram-attacks-nigeria-baga-ignored-mediaBut now i fear i am dwelling too much on this subject and won't add anything more unless its really really relevant or bring something new to the table. 

    #107579
    ALB
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    Darren redstar wrote:
    Damn you alb, apologising before I could get angry.

    It was Alan not me who apologised ! I just asked for one on our behalf. As to conspiracy theories about this, they are already circulating. One problem with them is that they let those who did it off the hook, since if it was the French State that did it (eg as a pretext to increase its repressive powers) then the political Islamists didn't.

    #107580
    sarda karaniwan
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    I think the bottom line here is to justify militarization or heightened the value of the military role. Well, the benefit is, continue and increase the military budget. No, I could be wrong.sardaan Ordinarian

    #107581
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    “Britain will 'never give up' freedom of speech”, David Cameron says after Charlie Hebdo attackhttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/david-cameron/11331616/Britain-will-never-give-up-freedom-of-speech-David-Cameron-says-after-Charlie-Hebdo-attack.htmlUnder the guise of protecting the public from ‘extremism’ the he propose to allow police to vet the social media activity of “harmful” individuals and curb their right to speak at public events.    He also pledges to ban Snapchat and WhatsApp” 

    #107582
    Darren redstar
    Participant

    Sorry alb. I am off my game, had to delete myself from facebook because too many are see what they want to see rather than reading what people actually write. Then I go and do exactly the same!

    #107583
    Darren redstar
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    The publication toady of Charlie hedbo was an interesting display of the hypocracy of the british press. Half a week denouncing the murderers and trumpeting the inalienable right to free speech, and then terrified and censorious in the face of a rather mild front page.

    #107584
    ALB
    Keymaster

    And they're still calling him "the Prophet Mohammed" on the BBC. Prophet, my arse. War lord and paedophile, more like it.

    #107585
    SocialistPunk
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    Watch it ALB, the SPGB is already on some bizarre Islamic extremist groups watch list, claiming you lot (not me Mo' I aint one of them evil, baby eating atheists, honest) are part of the evil atheist illuminati or something along those paranoid lines.

    #107586
    alanjjohnstone
    Keymaster

    The backlash – over a 50 attacks against muslim targets across France in last weekhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cz72nsMqoGM#t=93I'm not a fan of RT but i don't think they are over-exaggerating

    #107587

    http://theconversation.com/media-coverage-of-charlie-hebdo-and-the-baga-massacre-a-study-in-contrasts-36225The above is an incisive analysis of the difference in reporting between what happened in France and what is (AFAIK) still happening in nigeria and Baka.

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    A study we conducted in April 2014 suggests that media outlets publish three to ten times as many stories about France than about Nigeria. This disparity is striking as Nigeria’s population (estimated at 173 million) is almost three times the size of France’s population (66 million).[…]We tend to read about countries like Nigeria only when they are in crisis, from terrorist attack or epidemics like Ebola. Despite the shocking magnitude of the attacks in Baga, the story can feel predictable, as the news we get from Nigeria is generally bad news.

    I think that last point is significant, Syria, Nigeria, Mexico: shrug, so what's new?

    #107588
    alanjjohnstone
    Keymaster

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-30824375The headline reads "FBI foils IS-inspired plot to attack US Capitol"…only to discover that the plot consisted of one person and a FBI informant and no connection whatsoever with ISIS. Another conveniently timed "breaking news" fed to the media. I am sure FOX TV will be highlighting it. Reading between the lines, this is another of those infamous and many sting operations where the authorities know of and actively encourage and foster a terrorist act. No wonder conspiracies about false flag ops are so prevalent. 

    #107589
    alanjjohnstone
    Keymaster

    Meanwhile, today's story by Robert Fisk is one you yourself, ALB, highlighted some days previous on message #13 – The Saudi flogging.Fisk adds some historic details to it, not to justify it but to condemn it. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/saudi-arabias-history-of-hypocrisy-we-choose-to-ignore-9978493.html

    #107590
    robbo203
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    Came across something by Chris Hedges on the subject which makes for an interesting read….http://www.truthdig.com/report/page2/a_message_from_the_dispossessed_20150111 There are organisations like PEGIDA in Germany – there is a Pegida offshoot in the UK too – that seem to want to focus on the nature of Islam itself as a suppposed threat  to democracy, free speech etc etc.  As far as I know –  someone can correct me if I am wrong –  Pegida turns out to be of the far Right and ultra-nationalist in persuasion.  A leftie on my local FB group had recommended Pegida to me before discovering to her dismay what it was all about. Hedges  seems to me to take a sound approach which focusses attention instead on the conditions which Islamic communities face in Europe and elsewhere.  Their particular religious beliefs is not the reason why a tiny minority resort to such obscene acts of violence but rather an excuse or pretext.  I recall Hedges saying something on an RT interview the other day about a militant Islamic group he had encountered somewhere – Syria perhaps?  It turned out that only one of their number had ever even read the Koran  despite them all putting on the front of being devout Islamists! Incidentally,  it appears that there have been more than 50 French trademark applications for the phrase "Je Suis Charlie" for commercial purposes, of all things. Capitalism just cannot resist gettings it grubby hands on anything that moves.  Seems its not just the professed commitment of opportunist politicians to free speech that rings hollow.  See herehttp://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-30797059?ns_mchannel=email&ns_source=inxmail_newsletter&ns_campaign=bbcnewsmagazine_news__&ns_linkname=na&ns_fee=0 

    #107591
    Darren redstar
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    Haters are gonna hate. Pediiga the front national and the other xenophobic rabble rousers were peddling their bile before the Paris attacks, and getting significant support both on the street demonstrations and in the ballot box. The attacks on Charlie Hebdo and the supermarket may have hardened the support which they receive, but it is too early to say whether it has boosted it. Mme. le Pen and the FN were frozen out of the Je suis Charlie protests which have be presented as a display of french nationalism, secular and republican.in the uk the openly fascist and racist groups have shrunk dramatically, as their potential base has been hoovered up by the growth of UKIPs respectable face of xenophobia.i was heartened to see a map produced by one of the campaign group showing the number of attacks on Muslims following the Parisian events. Made to highlight the 'explosion' of Islamophobia it listed only a dozen or so incidents, half of which were graffiti. In a country the size of France, where the FN got the highest vote in last years euro poll this does not seem that many.

    #107592
    ALB
    Keymaster
    alanjjohnstone wrote:
    Meanwhile, today's story by Robert Fisk is one you yourself, ALB, highlighted some days previous on message #13 – The Saudi flogging.Fisk adds some historic details to it, not to justify it but to condemn it. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/saudi-arabias-history-of-hypocrisy-we-choose-to-ignore-9978493.html

    Good article by Fisk. He's gone up in my etimation. Irony of history that the world's easiest access oil should be in the worst possible part of the world politically and ideologically. Anywhere else and modern history would be quite different.

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