Afghan War Denialism

August 2021 Forums General discussion Afghan War Denialism

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    alanjjohnstone
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    The UK may be withdrawing most of its troops from Afghanistan but it was not defeated on the battlefield, Chief of Defence Staff General Sir Nick Carter, the head of the British armed forces has said. It comes after the mother of the youngest British soldier to die there questioned what had been achieved.

    “I’d like to see with my own eyes, what did we achieve? What was the sacrifice for? Because it’s too high a price to pay.”

    According to the general,the Taliban were a “very cunning and nefarious opponent”

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-57774012

    This after reports that the Afghan government army scurried into neighbouring Tajikstan for safety and the latest news that the Taliban have occupied a key crossing to Iran

    As well as the revelation that US withdrew from their major base at Bagram during the cover of darkness without the courtesy of informing the Afghan government with Biden conceding it is unlikely that the Afghan government will ever be capable of controlling the whole country

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-57773120

    Nato/US cannot admit defeat

    #220045
    alanjjohnstone
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    Picking up the pieces and dividing the spoils

    Iranian foreign minister, Javad Zarif, met Taliban negotiators to discuss their intentions towards the country, and secured a joint statement saying the Taliban do not support attacks on civilians, schools, mosques and hospitals and want a negotiated settlement on Afghanistan’s future. Iran already hosts 780,000 registered Afghan refugees and that between 2.1 and 2.5 million undocumented Afghans live in Iran.

    Turkey has conditionally offered Turkish troops for a Nato-overseen project to protect Kabul international airport. President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan has offered to provide Turkish troops in a possible unlikely alliance with Hungary.

    Some analysts argue mass migration from Afghanistan caused by a Taliban insurgency might help the Iranian economy, and that Iran should not oppose a Taliban takeover.

    Saeed Laylaz, a prominent reformist-minded economist and adviser to previous governments, said: “Iran is facing a demographic crisis and I believe that the best, closest and least costly way to overcome this demographic crisis is to accept emigration from Afghanistan. Stability in Afghanistan is important for national security, contributing to the ageing crisis and Iran’s economy.

    “The Taliban could not have survived so long without genuine political support and they might now serve Iran’s regional diplomatic interests. The Taliban are no longer the Taliban of the past, they have also realised that we must interact with the world, we must cooperate with the countries of the region.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/09/iran-and-russia-move-to-fill-diplomatic-vacuum-in-afghanistan

    #220056

    Is Biden Haunted by Vietnam? Should He Be?

    They can not admit that they have been defeated like in Vietnam

    #220112
    alanjjohnstone
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    Taliban are reported to have raised their flag above a key border post between Afghanistan and Pakistan, and claim it is now under their control. Pakistani officials confirmed the Taliban had taken the post. The Taliban took the border crossing with no resistance.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-57818221

    I think perhaps we will witness a repeat of the Fall of Saigon, although perhaps the footage will lack the sight of NVA tanks and will be a bit more drawn out as towns and cities surrender to the Taliban

    #220115

    There are many left wings organizations that are supporting the Taliban like they are a progressive movement. If they take over, they will become the ruling class of Afghanistan like the Vietcong in Vietnam, and the Chinese capitalist class is going to replace the USA capitalist class. They never learn their historical lessons

    #220121

    The USA politicians do not have any integrity, the withdrawal of the troops from Afganistan was a plan approved by Donald Trump to take place in May and during his political campaign he said that he did not support any war and that he was going to end all USA wars ( although he authorized more bombardments than anybody else ) and peoples voted for that, and now the same politicians who approved those actions are against the withdrawal of the troops and the same ones who opposed the closing of the jails from Guantanamo

    #220240
    alanjjohnstone
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    Taliban have gained “strategic momentum” in Afghanistan and now control about half the countryside as they drive to cut off population centres from the Western-backed government in Kabul, the United States’s top military general, Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman General Mark Milley told reporters

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/7/21/taliban-seek-to-cut-off-population-centres-top-us-general

    “This is going to be a test now, of the will and leadership of the Afghan people, the Afghan security forces and the government of Afghanistan,”

    #220244
    J Surman
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    Just finished a fascinating book – ‘Sikunder Burnes, master of the great game’ published 2015 by Craig Murray. Incredibly detailed history of GB, the East India Company and central character Alexander Burnes. c.1820-1840. True story of GB’s attempts to take over Afghanistan and block any Russian attempts to beat them. Massive troop numbers, incredible numbers of people required for support, 1000s of animals, all in the most difficult conditions. Plus the intrigue, spies, double agents, waiting for messages back and forth from India and GB (a 5 month’s journey) – and all ending in abject failure. Those who know of C Murray will know of his background in the diplomatic service – he notes a number of examples and politicians’ statements in very recent times which bear a startling resemblance to some of those nearly 2 centuries old mistakes. Recommended.

    #220254
    alanjjohnstone
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    On a personal note, Janet, my father being from an impoverished “tinker” family joined the army in 1936. His early posting was to India and to the Afghan region.

    Whenever news of the Russian intervention there in the 1980s was being reported he always said that they would be doomed to failure as the British.

    He died before the US invasion of 2001 but I am sure he would have been offering the same prediction.

    #220334
    alanjjohnstone
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    As was expected, American withdrawal did not mean peace nor the en to the US involvement.

    “The United States has increased air strikes in the support of Afghan forces over the last several days, and we are prepared to continue this heightened level of support in the coming weeks if the Taliban continue their attacks,” General Kenneth McKenzie, head of the US Army Central Command, told reporters in Kabul.

    “The Taliban are attempting to create a sense of inevitability about their campaign. They are wrong,” he said.”Taliban victory is not inevitable.”

    https://www.france24.com/en/asia-pacific/20210725-us-to-continue-air-strikes-to-support-afghan-forces-fighting-the-taliban-general-says

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