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December 28, 2013 at 1:41 am #99350
Perhaps we are talking at cross purposes a little, JCIt is about making a short video to explain the socialist case and a sound track invariably is involved in any film. The first objection i raised to Imagine was copyright. Second, if you look back, i also raised the issue of too close an association with Lennon's other ideas. But we will never find a perfect song, neither red flag or internationale can be considered 100% perfect., but they do come close but a bit sterotyped and both use by our political enemiesI think we do have to ask for members and non-members suggestions for music, because as you say the choice is almost limitless. ..who can ever forget the impact of the Ride of the Valkrie in Apocalypse Now depicting the brutality of war now but who cares if Wagner was an anti-semitic and was promoted by nazis when it comes to music in movies http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V92OBNsQgxUDecember 28, 2013 at 10:25 am #99330AnonymousInactivealanjjohnstone wrote:And to gladden the heart of any NE member , Eric Burden and the Animals – even if geordie rather than mackem
Glad you made the distinction, Alan. Football is took seriously up here But I have to admit Burden was/is a good 'chanta' When he sang 'we gotta get outa this place… girl there's a better life for you and me' he was refering to Newcastle..December 28, 2013 at 7:41 pm #99351HollyHeadParticipantgnome wrote:Vin Maratty wrote:
Powerful stuff, Vin, yet there are still those who insist that the struggle for socialism has no moral dimension. If it doesn't then why include the heart-rending images in the video?
A suggestion: If we are to use videos like this to propagate the case for socialism then I think we need a stronger link between effects and the causes of those effects. As it is the video consists of a montage of horrors with no analysis.December 28, 2013 at 8:17 pm #99352steve colbornParticipant
It's a first contribution and in that light, it is impressive. Haven't seen anyone else doing this, so credit where credit is due. By the way, I think Vin would agree that a causal link is needed. Stevie C.December 28, 2013 at 9:43 pm #99353
You may say that I’m a dreamerBut I’m not the only oneJohn Lennon It is a dream, you may say, of what has never been and will never be; true it has never been, and therefore, since the world is alive and moving yet, my hope is the greater that it one day will be: true it is a dream; but dreams have before now come about of things so good and necessary to us that we scarcely think of them more than of the daylight, though once people had to live without them, without even the hope of them.William Morris http://socialiststandardmyspace.blogspot.com/search/label/World%20Socialist%20Number%203December 28, 2013 at 11:15 pm #99354AnonymousInactive
A dreamer is one who can find his way by moonlight, and his punishment is that he sees the dawn before the rest of the world.Oscar WildeDecember 29, 2013 at 2:10 am #99355AnonymousInactive
It may be that I am reading more in the lyrics than is actually there, but the lyrics seem to me to be explicit: the horrors in the video are cuased by religion, nation states and property and the song is asking us to imagine a world without them. A world where the causes are removed: religion, nation states and property.December 29, 2013 at 11:06 pm #99356northern lightParticipant
As Cde. Maratty pointed out himself in post (# 22)[ I should point out that the video was a "test", it only took a few hours of work,…] A"test" that worked well, I would say. This is exactly the type of imagery that opened my eyes to the barbarity of the Worldspolitical hierachy. Audio and visual propoganda has long been a tool of the State. Why ? Because it works well and the State, through, Newspapers, Cinema, Radio and T.V., have unchallenged dominian. One's personel dislike of the likes of John Lennon or Russel Brand, is immaterial, publicity is what they give us, and our voice needs to be heard. So keep up the good work, Cde Maratty………… and I think it is about time you came in, out of the cold!ps. my favourite anti-war song is; "The Green Fields of France" sung by The Fureys & Davey Arthur. (written as" No Man's Land", by Eric Bogle)December 29, 2013 at 11:22 pm #99357steve colbornParticipant
Welcome back northern light and a post I agree with. Be well my friend.Stevie C.December 30, 2013 at 8:19 am #99358AnonymousInactive
Good to see you back northern light, keep the posts comingJanuary 1, 2014 at 9:50 am #99359Socialist Party Head OfficeParticipant
Here are the words of the pre-WW1 Party song. We haven't been able to find the music:"THE WORLD FOR THE WORKERS".A SONG OF REVOLUTION.Words & Music by H J NeumannYou toilers of the world, arise!To bravely speed the day,When all your forces organiseKing Capital to slay,And from the master class you'll wrestThe powers of the State,Which, wielded in your interest,Your class emancipate.There sounds above the class war dinThe battle-cry we use:Unite! you have a world to win,Your chains alone to lose.Your lot in life is darkest gloom;You sow and others reap.And want and mis'ry are your doom,While idlers treasurers heap.Why have they riches, you distress,Though you all wealth have wrought?It is because the few possessThe earth while you have nought.There sounds, etc.While you an idle class maintainFor pittances you'll toil.To own your products you must gainPossessions of the soilAnd of all means the workers needTo found the Commonwealth,And thus enable all to leadFull lives of peace and health.There sounds, etc.Arise! the message to proclaim,The message full of cheer;That Labour's freedom is your aim,That brighter days are near.To men exhausted by the fray,To women in despair,To children wanting food and play,To all the message bear.There sounds, etc.COPIES of the above four-part song–S., A., T., B.–(which will be sung by a choral party at the Annual Social on April the 9th), complete with pianoforte accompaniment and Tonic-Solfa setting may be obtained, price 3d, or post free 3 1/2d, through the branches or from the Head Office."January 1, 2014 at 12:25 pm #99360rodshawParticipant
A bit quaint for today's tastes but it certainly gets the message across.I think it would sound good done in the style of, say, The Fall. That way you wouldn't really need music, just a rhythm and beatJanuary 1, 2014 at 8:52 pm #99361AnonymousInactive
'The times they are a-changing' said a dead-again christian in the 1960s. Dylan was right, at least in a very limited sense. (Can't over-emphasise the 'very', there.) Truth is the times have overtaken us as a party and we need to catch up. Here's a start..Flobots – HandlebarsEnter Shikari – Gandhi Mate, Gandhi Henry – my revolutionary son – and I are going to the Enter Shikari gig in Brighton next year and we're going to leaflet the queue with some motherfucking socialist shit. We'll also be leafletting the Dan le Sac vs. Scroobious Pip gig in Sheffield on the 23rd of this month.Dan Le Sac vs Scroobius Pip – Stake A Claim Yeah, I know. I can be as critical of the apparent reformist stance as anyone else. But if we old fuckers don't connect with the next generation there'll never be any kind of socialism.January 29, 2014 at 1:07 pm #99362AnonymousInactive
I am working on a short video comparing capitalism and socialism. It was my intention to use 'Imagine' and 'Working Class Hero' as both lyrics closely describe socialism and the capitalist con trick, but as it has been suggested these songs may not appeal to the younger audience. I would, therefore, really appreciate any suggestions for alternatives.A more 'modern' song describing a world without countries, religion, exchange and property as a replacement for 'Imagine' and a song describing the con trick of capitalism as well as 'A working class hero' does.January 29, 2014 at 2:12 pm #99363
Go through this play-list. You may find a few that maybe suitable. Most are copyright free.http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=111310We Are Everywhere might dohttp://www.soundclick.com/player/single_player.cfm?songid=757187&q=lo&newref=1Religions and prisons and races Borders and nations FBI agents and congressmen And corporate radio stations They try to keep us apart, but we find each other And the rulers are always aware That they're a tiny minority And we are everywhere But i would stick with your original choice. Phuk the Philistines
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