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    alanjjohnstone
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    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/new-centrist-party-politically-homeless-brexit-labour-conservative-poll-a8312991.html Millions of voters feel politically homeless and would consider backing a new centre-ground party, a poll has revealed.Almost half of those questioned in an exclusive survey for The Independent said both that they did not feel represented by any established party and that a new organisation would have a chance of winning their vote. “If a new political party which pitched itself as sitting in the ‘centre’ or ‘centre ground’ of British politics formed and ran in the next UK general election, how likely would you be to consider voting for it?”Overall, 43 per cent said they would “definitely” or “potentially” consider backing the new party, while 35 per cent said they would not or would be “unlikely” to, with 22 per cent saying they did not know. With the electorate at the last election at just less than 47 million people, it suggests almost 20 million voters may be amenable to a new group to some extent, more than voted for either of the two big parties in British politics.

    #130962

    Marcos
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    Lately, the trend that is emerging around the world is that our problems are based on Liberalism vs conservatism or vice-versa. It is only a way to cover up the real reality of our society based on class struggle, between capitalist and workers. Most peoples use the word or the expression Liberalism or Liberal without knowing what they are talking about ( like the expression Liberal-Marxists-communists ) What they call liberals are proponents of state capitalism or state regulation, and conservatism is reactionary or recalcitrant

    #184852

    ALB
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    The Renew Party is contesting the Newport West by-election on 4 April. They were out in force in the centre of Newport this afternoon. One of them told us at our street stall that 50 of them had been bussed in and that at 4pm a plane would fly over advertising their candidate. It did but, unfortunately for them, the only word you could see clearly was “Vote” not who for. We were told that this and their piles of different glossy leaflets had been financed by a large donation to contest the election. Their political line, apart from being anti-Brexit and pro-business, seemed to be that people should be represented in Parliament by ordinary people rather than career politicians (no chance then of them merging with the so-called “Independent Group” of ex-Labour and ex-Tory MPs). They hoped to finish third behind Labour and Tory though they’ll probably only get a few hundred votes and be in the lower middle batting order of the eleven candidates. At least this will show that money can’t buy you votes.

    #184853

    Marcos
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    The new fight is liberal vs conservative or viceversa, terms to confuse peoples, they are both the same. The real fight is between capitalists and workers, or viceversa

    #184858

    alanjjohnstone
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    “At least this will show that money can’t buy you votes.”

    Perhaps in Newport, ALB, but would you say the same about the American political scene?

    #184864

    Marcos
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    Greg Palast book. The best democracy money can buy shows the opposite. Millions of Americans voted for a rich man because rich people can not be corrupted. In the Dominican Republic people sell their votes for a bottle of rum and a box with groceries and meat

    #184868

    ALB
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    You are right, Alan. I was being a bit Britocentric. What I should have said was that it shows that “money can’t always buy votes” since, as Marcos has just pointed out, in some (most?) parts of the world money can literally buy votes and everywhere money does distort elections, primaries and, even in Britain,  referendums. What I was meaning to point out was that in the British context you need more than money to get a new political party off the ground.

    I think those behind the Renew party were trying to copy Macron in France (though I am not sure, given the result in France, that they are still saying this). There was also another would-be centrist party out on the streets of Newport yesterday, the Social Democratic Party, a left-over from an attempt in the 1980s to get a new centrist party off the ground (kept going after most of them joined the Liberals to form the LibDems, including its current leader, a former Labour councillor).

    #184872

    alanjjohnstone
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    “…in some (most?) parts of the world money can literally buy votes…”

    My wife recently sold hers for seven pounds at present exchange rates. She was upset for shortly afterwards she was offered twelve pounds for her vote.

    Just how are those politicians recoup their costs? By more corruption, of course.

    #184884

    Marcos
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    I don’t have that kind of problem because in my entire life I have never  voted for anybody. They should implemented a system where you would be able to write the word Socialism in the ballot. I am talking about real socialism, I am not talking about social democrats reforms, but at the present time 99% of the people are confused due to the good job done by the Bolsheviks, the Leninists and the Soviets in favor of the capitalist class. The Fire Department is considered a socialist measure

    #184959

    ALB
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    For the record, despite spending pots of money and favourable press coverage, the Renew party came 7th with 879 votes (3.7% of the votes cast). Hopefully, this means we’ll never hear about them again.  But the person with the money who funded their campaign might want to keep on trying.

    #185319

    ALB
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    The Renew Party has folded:

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/brexit-news-latest-renew-party-folds-to-help-independent-group-in-european-elections-a4118581.html

    A fitting end to this thread as another useless reformist party bites the dust. Next down Chukky Ubama and his band of Independent Renegades.

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