Chinese Capitalist Party (CCP)

December 2025 Forums General discussion Chinese Capitalist Party (CCP)

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  • #261424
    robbo203
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    came across this interesting little statistic when searching the internet. The Chinese Communist Party is thought to have more than 80 billionaire delegates in its ranks in 2023

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1746362/china-latest-communist-party-billionaires-spt

    #261425
    Thomas_More
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    Just been having a debate with a leftist trying to tell me that China is “real socialism” and that state-capitalism is “real socialism” as opposed to the utopian dreaming of Marx and Engels (!)
    I told him that even Lenin admitted that state-capitalism is not socialism.

    #261426
    Thomas_More
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    War threatening between China and Japan over Taiwan.
    Half of Taiwan supports China anyway, as half are Kuomintang voters.

    #261427
    robbo203
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    I told him that even Lenin admitted that state-capitalism is not socialism.

    Did he, though?

    I think he talked of state capitalism in two different ways. The state capitalism of the capitalist state and the state capitalism of the so-called “proletarian state”, which he seemed to conflate with “socialism”. He also talked of big banks constituting nine-tenths of the socialist apparatus and workers being employees of the state in “socialism”

    I think the clearest indication of this conflation of socialism with state capitalism by Lenin was in his 1917 work, The Impending Catastrophe:

    “For socialism is merely the next step forward from state-capitalist monopoly. Or, in other words, socialism is merely state-capitalist monopoly which is made to serve the interests of the whole people and has to that extent ceased to be capitalist monopoly”

    https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1917/ichtci/11.htm”

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    #261430
    Citizenoftheworld
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    For Vladimir Lenin, state capitalism was a step toward socialism, and he also considered that it was beneficial for the working class. He also adopted Leon Trotsky’s concept of the Permanent Revolution

    Lenin and ‘State Capitalism’

    #261432
    Thomas_More
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    So who came up with the ludicrous “socialism is the step before communism” notion? Was that Stalin?

    #261433
    Citizenoftheworld
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    It was Lenin and the Bolsheviks who created the division between socialism and communism, and their followers continue spreading the same distortions.

    Soviet leaders never claimed that they were living under a communist society.

    The newly elected mayor of New York has said that he is a democratic socialist, but he is not a communist; he must be reading comic books, or the collected works of Tom and Jerry

    The billionaires of the so-called Chinese Communist Party are competing with the US billionaires, and some rancid Maoists are still claiming that China is a socialist society, and it was not a socialist society during the time of Mao Zedong either.

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