Hacking the current economic system

Is not labour time vouchers.More like a print your own monopoly money scheme.Anyone can do this now. The problem is getting it accepted..

Agreed that a key issue is that people are still thinking in terms of resources being scarce when they aren't or needn't be. This has a psychological effect, as you say and as George Jackson put it in one of his prison letters in Soledad Brother:

He realised that the answer wasn't to fiddle about with real or virtual currencies, but to get rid of money altogether, or, as we would put it, to make money redundant by bringing about the common ownership of resources.

I think you are talking about state capitalism, as in the old USSR and under some leftwing governments in the West. That wasn't socialism as it retained classes and class privileges as well as money and production for sale. Real socialism — the common ownership and democratic control of productive resources, production directly for use not profit, and distribution in accordance with the principle "from each their ability, to each their need" — has never been tried yet.

I have an immediat need for a digital currency based on civic engagement and I have some means to get it into general use.  I'm working on civic hack project to promote civic activism to attend public hearings and otherwise create political momentum for advocacy of housing construction in San Francisco.  we need a currency to measure and promote civic engagement on housing construction advocacy issues. A "SanFrancisco-housing-construction-advocacy-coin" would help us organize our efforts, track our efforts and incentivize advocacy.I'm imagining we distribute coins for comments or upvotes on articles that influence the public.  We mostly are focused on getting people to attend public hearings to approve building construction. The problem we face is that the only people willing to invest their time in attending public hearing are local self interested parties who don't want the noise of construction in their back yard. But the overwhelming majority of the people want housing built and are disperesed and silent due to the low individual reward for their time.  We have business partners in the construction companies who want to build the housing and can pay USA dollars for people to attend public hearings and speek in suport of public housing, but the public hearing is basically just arguing in front of the building development council so saying "you should build this 400 unit low income residential appartment complex because the developer paid me to doesn't cary much weight", What would carry weight is to sayin front of the building development council "You should build this 400 unit low income residential apparment complex because 400 people upvoted it as a good idea and here's some of their commets on how much it would help.  So in our advocacy promotion research I came across the notion of a coupon or currency or tally system to incentivize advocacy and I'm thinking about how best to do this for our cause.  There's a number of things we want to do with our SF-housing-construction-advocacy-coin. 1) We want to sell control of parts of our website in SF-housing-construction-advocacy-coin. we're making a map of housing construction proposals and when you click on a housing construction project on the map a popup apears that shows things like the number of residences this will support, the contact info for renting.  links to email the planning board to approve of the housing construction.  One thing we want to do is open up the controll of what information is shown on the map to the highest bidder in SF-housing-construction-advocacy-coin. there's a lot of housing construction advocacy groups in the region and They'd all like their link to be highest on the list and they'd all like to use this resources differently.  For example there's a group of Labor union advocates that perversely act to prevent and stall public housing construction that doesn't use unionized labor.  This is an example of a union which is nominally socialism in sympathy putting their unioin goals ahead of the public need for more housing construction which is also a socialism sympathetic goal.  We envision that if we just give access to this map to the union to let them decide what will be on the popup for vairous construction projects they'll also put their union interests ahead of the general housing interests.  What we want to do is charge them a price in SF-housing-construciton-advocacy-coin for renting the decision power of what to put on the poppup.  So if they use SF-Housing-Construction-Advocacy-coin the right to pick the wording for the popop on a particular construction site, then it benefits us in two ways. First they can make additional Housing-Construction-Acvocacy-coin from owning the popup and the would get credit for every facebook like or email or other pro housing construction advocacy action that comes from it.  Second, if they fill the popup with negative information because they bought the construciton site that didn't use union labor, then they have to get their SF-Housing-Construction-Advocacy-Coin from some other method to pay the rent on ownership of the popup.  So we're kind of ok with that and willing to let the labor union buy for 200 SF-housing-construction-advocacy-coins the right to use our popup to say something like "don't support this housing construction project because it doesn't use union labor".  We're ok with that arrangement because they don't do much or any housing construction advocacy currently and we want them too and they could do that easily.  So we think they might advocate support for housing construction in order to earn the SFHCAC coin they need to get access to our website popup and rent the popup to advance their non-housing construction advocacy causes and interests. 2) We want a visible and measurable way of identifying who is rich in SF-Housing-Construction-Advocacy-coin (SFHCAC) so we can focus our attention on them and have them speak on public hearings as a paid speaker. We could tally upvotes or use a spreadsheet or word of mouth, but making a currency for it adds credibility and verifiability to the process.  It seems harder to currupt if all the initial coin creation is identifiable and the SFHCAC coin is trackable so we can see who contributed how SFHCAC in a vote or delegation or payment and for what purpose.  Using a coin system lets us compare cumulative value in housing construction advocacy that come from payments from our central SFHCAC bank for documentation on word of mouth vs upvotes vs attending a pubic hearing and speaking in support of construction.  So we want to use the SFHCAC currnency as a complex measurement and accounting system. 3) 

Steve, i read a few pages that were available online of your book link. My question for you is a simple one. Why do you think it necessary to create such an elaborate construct for what is a fairly basic problem.I am always for the premise that simpler is better. In the history of humankind the prevailing society was based upon a very simple model…we worked producing what we needed cooperatively for no personal reward other than the respect and esteem of our peers and we shared what we produced for no gain. This was the way we lived for tens of thousands of years. The principle "from each according to ability to each according to need" was practiced in daily life among communities around the globe. It was for everybody's mutual survival and it worked. The development of agriculture and private property gradually ended that style of living (but even then it took centuries and still has not totally made The Commons disappear.)Socialists seek to re-establish this voluntarist association of producers, albeit understanding the numbers involved  have grown incredibly but so has the technology developed immensely. There is nothing complicated really about making socialism practical and feasible…and it needn't be founded on scarcity or austerity…Even taking into account the environmental impact and the requirement to minimise affecting the eco-systems and maintaining their sustainability, we can produce abundance for everybody in the world. That is a scientific fact…not political opinion.  All it needs for all this to come about is for people to have the confidence and trust in themselves that they can share and live in solidarity with one another. Socialists believe people can and cite history and anthropology and other social sciences to say it is possible. This maybe where you can justifiably charge that ours is mere opinion and differ with us but it is also incumbent upon you to try and prove your counter-claim. So you see, Steve, our position is that we cannot see the need or purpose for any artificial medium such as being proposed by a conflated multi-currency system to run a socialist society. This is what i think you will have to spell out for us in easy understood terms. Why is Bitcoin or similar required? What's it purpose? What is it a substitute for? To sum up, just why do we need it?

If , as you seem to be proposing, this is signalled by the total number people buy using money, digital or not, why not judge this from how many people choose to take under conditions of free access , i.e why can't what people take be the signal of demand and so of what should be produced? That avoids both the market and central planning. It' would just be a question of stock control, and it is not as if enough toasters to supply everybody's need for them couldn't be produced.