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Tim Kilgallon
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Matt wrote:

There is absolutely no need to personalise this.

These are nice sentiments, however the difficulty is that trolls like Bob Andrews and l Bird, continually personalise things. How can someone not take a personal attack (such as Vin has been subjected to by Bob Andrews) as not being pesonal?


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The problem is, and this is no fault of Brian's, that the current modertation guidance is not fit for purpose.

I dispute that contention about the guidance. One can always find fault with a moderator's decision, but not him personally. He is only a volunteer and should be helped.

Occasionally I have had an issue with some decisions. But no-one would know that, as I deal with it in the appropriate manner. I have to accept the moderator's like the referee's decision is final. I could appeal to the internet committee if I am seriously concerned, but this has not been necessary as it is often a matter of interpretation and I can be wrong headed.

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There should be some mechanism whereby if a poster has made a posting which is so far beyond the pale, then the poster would be subject to immediate suspension. To give an extreme example, if a poster made postings in support if ISIL, would we seriously have to wait for three occurances to remove them from our discussion board?

I don't think extreme exceptions make for good general rules.

It depends on the argument surely? We have a tradition of debating with  opponents of socialism.

We had some instances of spamming behaviour, which have been dealt with by suspension.

We haven't had too many instances of trolling behaviour. One, perhaps.

 But those have been dealt with, once again, by  Immediate indefinite,suspension.

"From each according to their ability, to each according to their needs".

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Tim Kilgallon wrote:

Matt wrote:

Yes but the WSM_Forum is an email list and functions differently. We can put people on moderation, where their posts are screened for a period in the email lists.

You are not allowed to post nor respond to hostile criticism. (You will be moderated)

You are not allowed to criticise moderating decision either. (You will be moderated)

Most of the members are inactive on the WSM_forum now.

We can't do that moderation as in screening posts on the web forum.

So the moderator has to abide by the rules of the web forum and issue warnings before suspension.

The moderator should be left to deal with troublemakers and party members should resist responding to them in a similar vein.

It is a simple matter to help the moderator and flag an offensive post and let the moderator deal with it, rather than attacking him and insisting he removes posters from the website.

He can not do that. He can only suspend them, after warnings, as he does.

Party members should and must, exercise self discipline.

This would assist the moderator greatly.

The problem is, and this is no fault of Brian's, that the current modertation guidance is not fit for purpose. There should be some mechanism whereby if a poster has made a posting which is so far beyond the pale, then the poster would be subject to immediate suspension. To give an extreme example, if a poster made postings insupport if ISIL, would we seeriously have to wait for three occurances to remove them from our discussion board?

The current guidance and rules are fit for purpose for dealing with spammers and trolls.  For instance spammers get short shrift and are suspended immediately and reported to anti-spam.  With trolls they are given every opportunity to change their behaviour when I initially issue a reminder.  If that don't work then they get a warning. Bob Andrews is on his 2nd warning. LBird is currently on his 5th suspension and will face the maximum of 60 days suspension.

The problem is other users feed the trolls and instead of letting me deal with such issues under the guidelines and rules assume I'm unwilling to deal with the issue and providing trolls with preferential treatment.  When the fact of the matter is I have to follow our democratic procedures and protocols - agreed on here after a long discussion - and the guidelines and rules agreed on by the EC.

Nevertheless, because this is an open platform - which Conference agreed on - you have to acknowledge that spammers and trolls are par for the course.  

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I was not referring to the instance of Vin and the other poster, but to his comments about him having a history which prejudices my self and mod. against him.

I did not have him in mind when I posted, but was making general points about reacting to postings and specifically using the appropriate tools to alert the moderator.

I am not engaging in individual discussions but a general one.

"From each according to their ability, to each according to their needs".

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The problem is, and this is no fault of Brian's, that the current moderation guidance is not fit for purpose.

I dispute that contention about the guidance. One can always find fault with a moderator's decision, but not him personally. He is only a volunteer and should be helped.

And if you read what I have written, not what you think I have written, that is precicely what I have said. In my view the guidelines are not fit for purpose.

I stated that this is not Brian's fault, but I think there should be a facility for the moderator to suspend a poster (not the post) in the event of extreme behaviour like that demonstrated by Bob Andrews.

Yes we have a long history of engaging in debate with a variety of different people with a variety of different views. However Knob Andrex is not debating or constructing argument, his purpose is clearly to insult and denigrate, his intention is to be some sort of parody of Jeremy Clarkson.

His latest post is an insult to all female members of the party, past and present. In a meeting anyone who was there to just hurl insults would be asked to leave and if they didn't they would be thrown out for disrupting the meeting. I suggest that the moderator be given the power to throw this clown out of the meeting (figuratively).


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moderator1 wrote:

The current guidance and rules are fit for purpose for dealing with spammers and trolls.  For instance spammers get short shrift and are suspended immediately and reported to anti-spam.  With trolls they are given every opportunity to change their behaviour when I initially issue a reminder.  If that don't work then they get a warning. Bob Andrews is on his 2nd warning. LBird is currently on his 5th suspension and will face the maximum of 60 days suspension.

The problem is other users feed the trolls and instead of letting me deal with such issues under the guidelines and rules assume I'm unwilling to deal with the issue and providing trolls with preferential treatment.  When the fact of the matter is I have to follow our democratic procedures and protocols - agreed on here after a long discussion - and the guidelines and rules agreed on by the EC.

Nevertheless, because this is an open platform - which Conference agreed on - you have to acknowledge that spammers and trolls are par for the course.  

Nowhere has anyone agreed to accept trolls. No other forum would acept trolls. We shouldnt have to deal with trolls. Show me where members agreed on this??

 

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Tim Kilgallon wrote:

However Knob Andrex is not debating or constructing argument, his purpose is clearly to insult and denigrate, his intention is to be some sort of parody of Jeremy Clarkson.

His latest post is an insult to all female members of the party, past and present. In a meeting anyone who was there to just hurl insults would be asked to leave and if they didn't they would be thrown out for disrupting the meeting. I suggest that the moderator be given the power to throw this clown out of the meeting (figuratively).

He  appeared when mod's hand was forced to allow me back on the forum and his sole purpose has been to provoke me. It is difficult to take this discussion seriously.

This is not one member being abusive to another. He is a TROLL and serves no purpose but to

 

Internet slang, a troll (/ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting quarrels or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the intent of provoking readers into an emotional ...

Remove him.

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Bob Andrews wrote:

My attitude to women is disgusting, not discusting. And I never abuse anyone - you dildo.

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Did that ever occur to you before? Probably not, because, let's be honest, you're not too bright. Kind of a dim bulb really. The Lord Mayor of Chumpsville. You know in your heart it's true, painful as it is to admit. 

 

 You are a supreme A-1 chucklehead.  No you're not. You're a f**king imbecile.That's well known.  I don't know anything about you. Nothing. How could I? So don't get excited

 

The power of social media...yep.

Is this acceptable moderation? The Troll received no warning. There are more. And I will be posting them here.

 

 

 

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Vin wrote:

BobAndrews wrote:

 

Did that ever occur to you before? Probably not, because, let's be honest, you're not too bright. Kind of a dim bulb really. The Lord Mayor of Chumpsville. You know in your heart it's true, painful as it is to admit. 

 

 You are a supreme A-1 chucklehead.  No you're not. You're a f**king imbecile.That's well known.  I don't know anything about you. Nothing. How could I? So don't get excited

 

The power of social media...yep.

Is this acceptable moderation? The Troll received no warning. There are more. And I will be posting them here.

 

 

 

I posted a reminder straight after that post.  Which is in line with the protocol and procedure you and others agreed to.

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