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Marcos
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Tim Kilgallon wrote:

I would guess that one of the big objectives of trolling, ring pieces like Bob Andrews is to cause disharmony between Socialists.

I know from personal experience that both Brian and Vin are committed and active Socialists. If Socialists like Vinand Brian are arguing with each other, then they are not putting that energy into fighting the real enemy the vicious, inhumane, system of society that we currently have to endure. Surely we are better fighting the common enemy.

As to The clearly provocative, sexist, homophobic, parody of a human being that is Bob Andrews, it is clear what his objectives are. He clearly has some kind of familial link to the dead hand of the Ashbourne Court Group,  it is sad that the legacy of the life time of commitment to Socialist activity that the members of that group have undertaken, activity that I would be proud to have been able to have carried out one tenth of, should  now be represented by the clearly anti socialist sewage of  Knob Andrews

People who are against women and homosexual they  should join the forum of an Evangelical church, or the far right. The moderator does not want us to give any kind of suggestion, but personally I woud  pull out the plug immediately. We are a socialist party, and we are supposed to be against women discrimination, racial discrimination, discrimination against sexual orientation,  nationalism, patriotic  hymm,  and a piece of fabric  called the flag. We are against all ideologies

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Matt
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Yes but the WSM_Forum is an email list and functions differently. We can put people on moderation, where their posts are screened for a period in the email lists.

You are not allowed to post nor respond to hostile criticism. (You will be moderated)

You are not allowed to criticise moderating decision either. (You will be moderated)

Most of the members are inactive on the WSM_forum now.

We can't do that moderation as in screening posts on the web forum.

So the moderator has to abide by the rules of the web forum and issue warnings before suspension.

The moderator should be left to deal with troublemakers and party members should resist responding to them in a similar vein.

It is a simple matter to help the moderator and flag an offensive post and let the moderator deal with it, rather than attacking him and insisting he removes posters from the website.

He can not do that. He can only suspend them, after warnings, as he does.

Party members should and must, exercise self discipline.

This would assist the moderator greatly.

"From each according to their ability, to each according to their needs".

Marcos
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Matt wrote:

Yes but the WSM_Forum is an email list and functions differently. We can put people on moderation, where their posts are screened for a period in the email lists.

You are not allowed to post nor respond to hostile criticism. (You will be moderated)

You are not allowed to criticise moderating decision either. (You will be moderated)

Most of the members are inactive on the WSM_forum now.

We can't-do that moderation as in screening posts on the web forum.

So the moderator has to abide by the rules of the web forum and issue warnings before suspension.

The moderator should be left to deal with troublemakers and party members should resist responding to them in a similar vein.

It is a simple matter to help the moderator and flag an offensive post and let the moderator deal with it, rather than attacking him and insisting he removes posters from the website.

He can not do that. He can only suspend them, after warnings, as he does.

Party members should and must, exercise self discipline.

This would assist the moderator greatly.

I am not talking about procedures, and I am not talking against the moderator. I know those procedures, and I know the problems that the moderators must go through, this is child play compared to other forums. I am talking about the atmosphere that exists in this forum. We only need Don King in the forum

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Marcos
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Matt wrote:

Yes but the WSM_Forum is an email list and functions differently. We can put people on moderation, where their posts are screened for a period in the email lists.

You are not allowed to post nor respond to hostile criticism. (You will be moderated)

You are not allowed to criticise moderating decision either. (You will be moderated)

Most of the members are inactive on the WSM_forum now.

We can't do that moderation as in screening posts on the web forum.

So the moderator has to abide by the rules of the web forum and issue warnings before suspension.

The moderator should be left to deal with troublemakers and party members should resist responding to them in a similar vein.

It is a simple matter to help the moderator and flag an offensive post and let the moderator deal with it, rather than attacking him and insisting he removes posters from the website.

He can not do that. He can only suspend them, after warnings, as he does.

Party members should and must, exercise self discipline.

This would assist the moderator greatly.

Why didn't the SPGB adopt the same software?  I tried to use the same software in another forum and everybody rejected it 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Bijou Drains
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Matt wrote:

Yes but the WSM_Forum is an email list and functions differently. We can put people on moderation, where their posts are screened for a period in the email lists.

You are not allowed to post nor respond to hostile criticism. (You will be moderated)

You are not allowed to criticise moderating decision either. (You will be moderated)

Most of the members are inactive on the WSM_forum now.

We can't do that moderation as in screening posts on the web forum.

So the moderator has to abide by the rules of the web forum and issue warnings before suspension.

The moderator should be left to deal with troublemakers and party members should resist responding to them in a similar vein.

It is a simple matter to help the moderator and flag an offensive post and let the moderator deal with it, rather than attacking him and insisting he removes posters from the website.

He can not do that. He can only suspend them, after warnings, as he does.

Party members should and must, exercise self discipline.

This would assist the moderator greatly.

The problem is, and this is no fault of Brian's, that the current modertation guidance is not fit for purpose. There should be some mechanism whereby if a poster has made a posting which is so far beyond the pale, then the poster would be subject to immediate suspension. To give an extreme example, if a poster made postings insupport if ISIL, would we seeriously have to wait for three occurances to remove them from our discussion board?


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Matt wrote:

Yes but the WSM_Forum is an email list and functions differently. We can put people on moderation, where their posts are screened for a period in the email lists.

You are not allowed to post nor respond to hostile criticism. (You will be moderated)

You are not allowed to criticise moderating decision either. (You will be moderated)

Most of the members are inactive on the WSM_forum now.

We can't do that moderation as in screening posts on the web forum.

So the moderator has to abide by the rules of the web forum and issue warnings before suspension.

The moderator should be left to deal with troublemakers and party members should resist responding to them in a similar vein.

It is a simple matter to help the moderator and flag an offensive post and let the moderator deal with it, rather than attacking him and insisting he removes posters from the website.

He can not do that. He can only suspend them, after warnings, as he does.

Party members should and must, exercise self discipline.

This would assist the moderator greatly.

Your post appears to suggest a party member is the problem and not trolls.Both you and Brian have historicl issues with me  that does not help the situation. 

The problem is matt, I have shown self discipline. I have ignored abuse from trolls and I have ignored spammers and waited in vain for Brian to step in.  I refuse to be attacked and abused in silence without havin ANY right to defend myself.  Not on a Socialist forum.

Other moderated forum do not wait for sammers and trolls to break the rules; they already have broken the rules. All forums  have the rule no spammers no trolls. They will not be warned or suspended but removed.

As a party member I expect to recieve reminders of my behaviour but I resent being put on an equal footing to spammers and trolls. Dont turn this onto me, I am not the problem.

 

Matt
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Why didn't the SPGB adopt the same software?  I tried to use the same software in another forum and everybody rejected it

Because it is useless for building up websites compared to the superior CMS (content management system) of Drupal. There might be some better features in the new upgrade but technology will not resolve the problems of lack of self discipline. Rather it will result in people abandoning the Forum. We will still ahve good website but no discussion except perhaps amongst ourselves.

There are only two members on this Forum now, as we speak and only eight guests.

"From each according to their ability, to each according to their needs".

Matt
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There is absolutely no need to personalise this.

"From each according to their ability, to each according to their needs".

Vin
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Matt wrote:

There is absolutely no need to personalise this.

Absolutely. The troll is personalising it.  He or she contributes nothing else to the party or this forum. Remove him/her. He/she is a stereotypical troll. 

 

 

Vin
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Matt wrote:

but technology will not resolve the problems of lack of self discipline.

This is personalising the problem as you are clearly referring to my response to the troll. The blame is squarley on my shoulders, not the trolls.

I don't think Drupal prevents the removal of trolls. That is the problem. NOT members of the party

 

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