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Sorry they do have. Because of data protection laws.
You didn’t read the small print when you joined it.OK fair enough. I wasn’t aware of this not being very technically minded. But I wonder if there was a way of contacting all the people on this list in a one-off fashion (not in the way RedMarx does) with a brief syndicated statement encouraging greater participation not only in the forum but also as Alan suggests in the blogs and even our several FB sites.
Would this be too laborious or is there are some other way of syndicating the process using batches of emails at a time?
It seems that the anti-Semite Bakunin might have had a hand in promoting this particular myth
Bakunin on Marx and Rothschild
“Himself a Jew, Marx has around him, in London and France, but especially in Germany, a multitude of more or less clever, intriguing, mobile, speculating Jews, such as Jews are every where: commercial or banking agents, writers, politicians, correspondents for newspapers of all shades, with one foot in the bank, the other in the socialist movement, and with their behinds sitting on the German daily press — they have taken possession of all the newspapers — and you can imagine what kind of sickening literature they produce. Now, this entire Jewish world, which forms a single profiteering sect, a people of blooksuckers, a single gluttonnous parasite, closely and intimately united not only across national borders but across all differences of political opinion — this Jewish world today stands for the most part at the disposal of Marx and at the same time at the disposal of Rothschild. I am certain that Rothschild for his part greatly values the merits of Marx, and that Marx for his part feels instinctive attraction and great respect for Rothschild.
This may seem strange. What can there be in common between Communism and the large banks? Oh! The Communism of Marx seeks enormous centralization in the state, and where such exists, there must inevitably be a central state bank, and where such a bank exists, the parasitic Jewish nation, which. speculates on the work of the people, will always find a way to prevail ….”
Source: Michael Bakunin, 1871, Personliche Beziehungen zu Marx. In: Gesammelte Werke. Band 3. Berlin 1924. P. 204-216.The second part is fake history concocted by antisemites and not worth the paper it was first printed on. We haven’t the time to refute every example of fake history or every conspiracy theory, but don’t even need to in a case like this one.
Yes , that we dont need to refute such nonsense is true enough Adam but you know what the internet is like – lies like this on can replicate themselves and soon the fact that they have been repeated so often times means many individuals can come to believe them. This would be to the detriment to our own attachment to Marxian ideas. Other than challenging the fake historians to provide tangible evidence I’m wondering if there is anything else we can do to stop the dissemination of these crackpot theories
I don’t have this facility yet in this version of the Forum. In any case it would have needed to have been incorporated at the start with an option to ‘opt in/out‘.
Hi Matt
I dont see why you need to have an in/out option. Just go ahead and do it Redmarx and other sites I know of dont have an option of this nature although they do have an option whereby you can unsubscribe from the site itself. I doubt very much you will get any complaints anyway. You’ve got to be more pushy if you want to seriously promote the forum and I think this is very good way of doing – of getting the overwhelmingly dormant membership more actively involved
Here is an example of what I periodically get from Redmarx as an email
Top Discussions from RedMarx
Money, Money, Money…
RedMarx – Zanthorus This is a topic I’ve been thinking a lot about lately. I find myself troubled by certain aspects of the way in which Marx develops money, and equally troubled by the apparent theoretical inadequacies of alternative perspectives. The main thing that troubles me is this – Marx seems to insist on the f Read MoreMovie Thread
RedMarx – Savage I’ve been meaning to make this for a while but my duties as an Anglican priest haven’t left me much spare time. Even though these threads aimed at maintaining continuity often die I thought it would be worth a shot since film has a broad enough audience. Just post movies that you’ve been watching, g Read MoreSomething Bothering Me
RedMarx – Jas The subject is homosexuality and Marxism. Historically the two have had an uneasy relationship. Marx and Engels themselves had bad views on homosexuals, while this is understandable because it was only visible in the Bourgeosie and Petit-Bourgeousie classes, there were other socialists at the time t Read MoreAmerica’s suspension of dollar convertibility
RedMarx – Noa The reason for the US decision in 1971 to stop converting dollars into gold often is stated to be, that the West-European (+Japan) states, due to their post-war economic development, had run a balance of payments surplus with the US, out-competing the US, and were converting their dollars into gold. Read MoreRead More on RedMarx
Read MoreAccording to the papers, Boris Johnson’s great-great-grandfather was Haci Ahmet Riza born in Central Turkey in 1813. This means that in all probability he will have 3rd cousins living in Turkey. So what? Just as irrelevant as Marx being the 3rd cousin of the founder of the UK Rothschild dynasty.
It is not really the supposed genetic proximity of Marx to the Rothschilds that is of any particular interest but rather the claim – quite widely repeated in several fake news sites – that he was used by the latter for certain political ends. Thus, the article linked to in the OP claims this:
“Historians have confirmed that Karl Marx was not only related to the Rothschilds, but was also employed as their agent in order to subvert democracy and corrupt the Socialist movement.”
What is needed is a sustained effort to publicize and invite people to join this forum. Even the great majority of Party members dont seem to be on this forum . Which is a great pity. I think after the website was shut down a while back because of the malicious virus attack, the forum lost a lot of momentum
It is not as if it isn’t being visited Alan. As I write these words I discover this at the bottom of the page: “Activity within the past 24 hours: 10 users and 764 guests”. 764 guests – that’s a lot of people over the past 24 hours! I dont know of the technicalities maybe some of these are repeat visitors but even so….
So to kick off the discussion with a question – what practical steps can we take to encourage more 1) party members and 2) non members to join this forum? Its great selling point is that it contains a wealth of interesting and useful information going back over 1000s of posts since the inception of the forum
I would recommend for starters that forum does what other forums like RedMarx do which is to send out a selective syndicated digest of discussions on a regular basis – perhaps once a month – to every person (currently 913) who belongs to this forum. Is this technically feasible in the case of this particular forum? Since we have the email addresses of all who joined this forum this should be possible
It’s probably quite likely that most of us, certainly in the West, are descended from King Alfred himself, not just his great-cousin!
Indeed. If you use the services of something like MyHeritage.com you might be amazed by the results. My brother did it and discovered we have a whole bunch of second cousins in the US. My partner did it likewise – she is Spanish – and discovered that 10% of her ancestry comes from southern England
I believe the saliva samples are tested in Utah. Isn’t that where the Mormons are based. They are supposed to have the single largest database on people in the world
Shouldn’t this be in the ‘off-topic’ section? You do know that NewsPunch is a fake news website that frequently spreads conspiracy theories and political misinformation. Some call it satire…
I thought that was NewsThump, Dave but yeah this does have the whiff of fake news about it. I was not so much concerned with the Rothschilds connection (as a kid I was told we were descended from King Aldred the Great’s cousin – the geezer wot burnt the cakes – so I’m gonna claim my seat in the House of Lords) but with the reference to Marx being paid to undermine the socialist movement (an idea which might have originated with Bakunin)
I wouldn’t particularly worry too much except that this particularly claim has been quite widely circulated in Ancap and other circles in an effort to discredit Marx and the claim seems to have been made in several different publications, not just Newspunch
This sounds interesting and possibly significant though I am still not 100% sure what blockchain actually entails in practice. Can anybody explain in really simple layperson terms what it is all about so I can wrap my head around it
Capitalism is a hydra-headed monster. So called market libertarians grow out of the same body that produced the populist conservatives they claim to be at odds with
I dont wish to ruin peoples’ appetites but this caught my attention on reading about the prospects of Britain becoming a vassal state of the Great American empire…
Johnson has previously sought to downplay fears about a US trade deal weakening UK food and agricultural standards.
Under US food standards, products can contain certain amounts of foreign bodies, including maggots, insect fragments and mould.
For example US producers are allowed to include up to 30 insect fragments in a 100-gram jar of peanut butter; as well as 11 rodent hairs in a 25-gram container of paprika; or 3 milligrams of mammalian excreta (typically rat or mouse excrement) per each pound of ginger.
Johnson has recently sought to downplay such fears by insisting that he would demand the US would meet UK standards instead as part of any deal.A few more snippets of evidence to prove the point . Like Engel’s letter to Bebel, dated 18-28 March 1875, sharply criticising those anarchists who accused him and Marx of being statists:
The people’s state has been flung in our teeth ad nauseam by the anarchists, although Marx’s anti-Proudhon piece and after it the Communist Manifesto declare outright that, with the introduction of the socialist order of society, the state will dissolve of itself and disappear
So for Engels socialism would be a stateless, meaning communist society
Then there is Sylvia Pankhurst’s article entitled “The Future Society” originally published in One Big Union Bulletin, 2 August 1923:
The words Socialism and Communism have the same meaning. They indicate a condition of society in which the wealth of the community: the land and the means of production, distribution and transport are held in common, production being for use and not for profit.
It is worth mentioning, also, that among the Russian social democrats, too, prior to their break up into the Bolshevik and Menshevik factions, this particular interpretation of “socialism” likewise prevailed. A key text called A Short Course of Economic Science, written by A Bogdanoff, talked of socialism being “the highest stage of society we can conceive”, in which such institutions as taxation and profits will be non-existent and in which “there will not be the market, buying and selling, but consciously and systematically organised distribution”. This book appeared in 1897 and a revised edition, published in August 1919, was used as a textbook in schools and study circles of the Russian Communist Party
Interestingly, Stalin, himself, in this early period likewise talked of socialism in this fashion. For instance, in his Anarchism or Socialism (1906) he wrote that “Future society will be socialist society. This means also that, with the abolition of exploitation, commodity production and buying and selling will also be abolished and, therefore, there will be no room for buyers and sellers of labour power, for employers and employed — there will be only free workers“. In socialism, argued Stalin, “Where there are no classes, where there are neither rich nor poor, there is no need for a state, there is no need either for political power, which oppresses the poor and protects the rich. Consequently, in socialist society there will be no need for the existence of political power”. It was this same Stalin who, in the 1930s, asserted that the Soviet Union was now a fully-fledged “socialist state” controlled by the working class when he had previously excluded both the state and classes from his conception of socialism.
There can be little doubt that it was Lenin and the Bolsheviks who were primarily responsible for this shift in the meaning of socialism although it has to be said that people like Kautsky too were responsible
