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January 16, 2025 at 4:39 pm in reply to: ICC international online public meeting, 25 January #256249
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ParticipantWhether the world socialist revolution will happen or not, no-one can say.
However, as technology gets better & better it becomes more & more ridiculous that we’re still living in capitalism.
To give one example of how mad capitalism is: it got rid of an aeroplane (Concord) that could fly from London to New York in 3 hours!
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Participant– Zugzwang
That reminds me of something someone said about Bob Hope: ‘Some say Bob Hope was a bad comedian because he didn’t write his jokes. However, Elvis didn’t write his songs & nobody says he was a bad singer’.
Anyway, here’s a beautiful cover version of a great Chicago song: Hard to Say I’m Sorry – Emma Gilmour
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Participant– h.moss
That was the very first song posted on the Music thread of this forum. If my memory serves me right, it was posted by Paula McEwan. It’s a great song, though.
(Marie’s the Name of) his Latest Flame – Elvis ‘the pelvis’ Presley
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ParticipantThanks for warning us. We’ll be sure to avoid that meeting.
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ParticipantYou don’t say? Well, that’s something he had in common with Shakin’ Stevens. Apparently, GM’s Greek father was a Leninist – & the former voted for the Labour Party throughout his life.
To correct a small mistake I made, ‘Once in a Blue Moon’ wasn’t the first *song* written by Burt Bacharach due to it being an instrumental (performed by Nat ‘King’ Cole on the piano).
The first song was ‘The Story of my Life’ by Marty Robbins (with lyrics by Hal David).
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ParticipantWham Rap – Wham!
D.H.S.S. stands for the Department of Health & Social Security.
Best lyric: ‘Do you enjoy what you do? If not, just stop. Don’t stay there and rot.’
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ParticipantAccording to Wikipedia, Bacharach’s first professionally written song was ‘Once in a Blue Moon’ ( sung by Nat King Cole).
‘Three Wheels on my Wagon’ (sung by Dick van Dyke – whose amazing 99 years old!) was released in 1961 (with lyrics by Bob Hillard).
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Participant(Without looking it up) Was it Magic Moments by Perry Como?
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ParticipantThank you, kindly.
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ParticipantHere’s where the Story Ends – Tin Tin Out feat. Shelly Nelson
Here’s the original, rustic version by the Sundays
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ParticipantAnother song for ALB
Do you know the way to San Jose? – Dionne Warwick
Written by Burt Casino-Card-Game & Hal David
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ParticipantBizarre commentary coming from BBC News:
We’re told to celebrate the fall of the Assad regime & Syria becoming a failed state! We’re also told that Syria could now become a democracy of sorts [sic], & that the main group of jihadists who took Damascus (HTS) isn’t so bad because it’s (apparently) more moderate than the other jihadist groups!
What’s happened in Syria is a second sequel to what happened in Afghanistan in the 1980’s (Libya was the first sequel).
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ParticipantThanks for the feedback, everyone (especially Robbo).
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Participant– DJP
To be honest, I read the article a while ago, but put what I recalled it said about economics into my own words.
Here’s the relevant information from said article:
‘THE REASON THE natural and industrial resources of the world are not used to provide the abundance they are capable of producing is to be sought, not in the realm of technology, but in that of economics.
‘Economics is basically the study of what happens when wealth is exchanged — that is when it is either bartered for other wealth or bought and sold for money. It is not the study of the production and allocation of wealth as such, but the study of its exchange and how this affects decisions about production and allocation. Exchange is not to be confused with allocation.
‘Allocation (sometimes called distribution) is about the use which people make of the wealth they have produced: how much they consume immediately. How much they store for future consumption. How much they use to build up or renew their stock of tools and machines. “Allocation” is used here in preference to “distribution” because the latter has acquired other meanings which can cause confusion; it sometimes means transportation (which is really part of production)— but worse shops, which are exchange institutions, have taken to calling themselves the “distributive trade”.
‘In some past societies the amount and kind of wealth that was produced and allocated were decided according to some prearranged plan, even if this “plan” was just a set of tribal customs or some other unwritten code of social behaviour. Wealth was allocated directly for individual and communal use so that the sole aim of production could be said to have been direct allocation, or use.
‘In societies where the bulk of the wealth is exchanged after it has been produced (and before it is allocated) the production and allocation of wealth is no longer decided according to human plans or customs. The decisions are of course still made by people but within terms of reference outside of their control. Economics is the study of these terms of reference or, perhaps, of the laws or economic forces which come into operation once production for exchange becomes widespread.
(. . .)
‘An enterprise is an institution which seeks continually to increase the monetary value of its assets (the instruments of production, the raw materials, the stocks and the cash, including the wage fund, it controls.) The monetary value of these assets is sometimes called “capital”; hence “capitalism” as the name for the modern exchange economy.
(. . .)
‘Wealth production is no longer individual or local or national; it is social and worldwide. A single world society already exists but, because the workplaces of the world are controlled by enterprises, it takes the form of a world exchange economy.’
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ParticipantExcellent!
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