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alanjjohnstone wrote:I think her observation about increasing scepticim about political promises may well be an approach we can apply to our up-coming election campaigns. We usually have a leaflet or two, or a paragraph or two, emphasising that we don't make promises to fix things but what about issuing a more extensive Anti-Manifesto, one devoted to what we aren't going to do.Danny was picked up on this by the BBC and without going back to th video, i think Howard too. It was treated by trained TV commentators as a little bit outlandish for a political party cntesting an election.When we participate in election campaigns we should seek out a coordinated publicity strategy and we should build upon our past Do-It-Yourself politics. Short pithy election statements have been tried so maybe if we issue a longer glossy Anti-Leadership/PartyPromises Manifesto it might be the way to go and since our participation is limited, such a broader campaign can be used effectively in all the places where we are not standing.Well we issued our first manifesto over 110 years ago now and have been issuing election addresses since. I know at least five or six SPGB election addresses are online. What the Pirate Party (at least in the UK) managed to do first, was to open source their policies and crowdsource their 2015 manifesto. No other party is open enough to have done this, and the PPUK deserve credit. Even the Green Party (England and Wales) which 'unlike all the other parties, is wholly democratic' with a 'uniquely democratic policy-making process' and didn't have a leader until 2007, only have the membership write their manifesto.
Young Master Smeet wrote:There are other issues and riks, one concern is the ownership of passwords and getting accounts back off members once they're allowed on.I wonder if it would be worth ivnesting ina somethign like a Hootsuite account:https://hootsuite.com/That might give us a safer back end and allow control.This is relevent as we're coming up to the GLA and Welsh Assembly elections, and we really need twitter accounts for the campaigns…Control by who? Ordinary members? Branches?
I'm told there was alsothe Moth eaten one – pre-1990s. white lettering on large red square slik. Both the Ashbourne-appropriated 'Missing banner' and the Durham miners <2005 one were replicas of this moth-eaten one.
gnome wrote:jondwhite wrote:In respect of party banners I recently listed those known to exist or known to have existed and thought I would share for discussion hereSome of the banners referred to can be seen here; I will search for others in due course…http://www.meetup.com/The-Socialist-Party-of-Great-Britain/photos/26694701/
A lot of the info on vinyl banners in particular was deduced / gleaned from the many photos on meetup.
Young Master Smeet wrote:jondwhite wrote:Isn't Labours main hope to win the election? Isn't political influence reflected by funding not the other way around?It's not a one way street, sometimes the party that looks like it will win will attract the funds (as capitalists like to back winners)…
I think who is likely to win is less important than past performance and value for money when donating.
In respect of party banners I recently listed those known to exist or known to have existed and thought I would share for discussion here2013 trade union style embroidered banner by Ed Hall hanging in head office2011 banner digitally printed white lettering 'The Socialist Party of Great Britain' onto red polyester used for a SPGB stall at Marxism 2011<2005 banner white lettering 'The Socialist Party of Great Britain' onto large red slik used for a SPGB stall at Durham Miners Gala 2005<2000s banner gold lettering 'The Socialist Party of Great Britain' onto dark red cloth with fringe material used in a video interview no longer online at blip.tv – probably in head office. possibly a smaller replica of the 1950s banner.1990s to 2000s vinyl banners – at least sixOne is from 2014 with the same fascia design as head office and is simple text on white background and gets used on some branch stalls.One is Marx and Engels in profile and is used by Glasgow branch.One was up at head office and is from at least the early 2000s and depicts a montage of peoples faces with a stylised globe image.One was up at head office and reads 'abolish the wages system' and might still be there.One reads 'One World, One People, One solution'.One was used by Edinburgh branch reading 'One Solution Revolution' in the 2000s.Missing banner? cited on the yahoo spintcom mailing list and possibly the same as the one in the conference resolutions dissolving the Camden and North West London branches 1989-1991. Likely in their possession and possibly still in use, possibly the 1950s one but unlikely as this was very large.<1950s banner – A very large banner was used filling the window of head office in 52 clapham high street in a photograph from the 1950s.1905 banners / vexillums – The photograph of 1905 conference indicates a variety of banners in use – mostly a different shape from modern ones. Wikipedia describes this shape as a vexillum or gonfalon because they hang from a horizontal crossbar, although other terms might be used. From left to right, one depicts an angelic winged female figure, One reads 'Watford Branch' and one probably reads 'No compromise, no political trading'. They were probably designed by an early member who worked in printing called F. C. Watts.
robbo203 wrote:John Oswald wrote:Karl Marx and Frederick Engels, for all their revolutionary ideas, also toed the old nature-conquest line. …Hmm. Not too sure about that, John, sympathetic though I am to your line of argument. Here for example is something that Engels wrote that would rather contradict the above…. “Let us not, however, flatter ourselves overmuch on account of our human victories over nature. For each such victory nature takes its revenge on us. Each victory, it is true, in the first place brings about the results we expected, but in the second and third places it has quite different, unforeseen effects which only too often cancel the first….— Friedrich Engels, The Part Played by Labor in the Transition from Ape to Man
Not too sure about that or calling 'Animalism' as 'Marxist-animalist'. Marx in the German Ideology proposed a particular sort of lifestyle presumably not a vegetarian or animal friendly one'to hunt in the morning, fish in the afternoon, rear cattle in the evening,'Engels of course enjoyed fox-hunting for pleasure but opposed mans dominion over nature?
Sarah Palin weighs inhttp://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/21/us/politics/sarah-palin-endorsement-speech-donald-trump.html
Got any clever design ideas for posters, banners, placards or maybe even that old favorite – leaflets? Share them there. Could include supporters clever ideas. Haven't really got the group off the ground
Young Master Smeet wrote:Fascinating election totals:Tories £16 millionLabour £12 millionLiberals £4 millionUKIP £3 millionGreens £1 millionhttps://twitter.com/MichaelLCrick/status/689767126337507328As usual, the party that spent the most (by quite a margin) won. Also, note, despite the 'threat' of UKIP they were massively outgunned. Note, also, the Tories are tryign to cripple Labour's ability to raise funds. Clearly, how this works is if Labour suddenly finds a business friendly leader, funds will come from capitalists, and financial hegeemony will hold sway. Labour's only hope is Tory civil war…Isn't Labours main hope to win the election? Isn't political influence reflected by funding not the other way around?
