jondwhite
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There are some suggestions that although Bernie has said he would 'vote Democrat' and now 'endorse' Hillary, he hasn't 'conceded' his campaign.
There was a time that if you'd told Kings and Lords that capitalists would be in control of society then they would have laughed at you and dismissed it as a pipedream.Anyway, here's some blueprints or partial blueprints, parts of which may be loosely compatible with 'resource-based-economies'https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Zeitgeist_Movementhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Owenismhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buckminster_Fullerhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Looking_Backwardsome less resource based economyhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacque_FrescoEven based on wikipedia ideashttp://wikiocracy.blogspot.co.uk/Some might be more preferable than others to you, but what about everyone else?By the way, thanks for your contributions and what you've asked doesn't necessarily put you in opposition.
What's more democratic? Spelling out details for workers to 'take it or leave it'. Or leaving details undecided and saying workers will work it out.Also if you've ever used Wikipedia you have a model of sorts as to how to manage mass participation and effective control.Also why are capitalists in control seen as realistic but workers in control as a pipedream.
Logo is included on the reverse panel of 'The Historical Place of the SPGB'. Normally I would try and include it elsewhere, but with ordinary CD packaging I'm somewhat pushed for space as each panel is no more than 12cm x 12cm and I try to differentiate the important text headings of information. You can actually get vinyl LP record pressing on demand from Mp3 audio files and if there was any demand for a party talk on vinyl LP record, it would be appealing to me to design vinyl LP record packaging.As for party orders, October 2015 EC considered these CDs specifically and ordered fifty Black Flag debates in card sleeves from another manufacturer suggested called mediaplant uk (jewel cases and digipaks fell by the wayside), maybe half of which were distributed at the Anarchist bookfair and half remain in head office.
Even the Fabian Society don't seem to propose a gradual road to socialism these days. I don't see why we should. Also you misunderstand Marxism if you label it utopian. Where was the core of Marxism in any of the dictatorships you mention? I don't see it.
Quote:The World Socialist Movement does not offer a blueprint for administering a socialist society. For a small group of socialists to do so would be undemocratic. It would also be dumb. Socialists don't have crystal balls to determine what the conditions will be when socialism is established. As the socialist majority grows, when socialism is within the grasp of the working class, then will be the proper time for making such important decisions. The only thing socialists can say now, about administration, is that socialism is only socialism if it is democratic.Quote:Socialism can only be established by a vast majority of people deciding it wants to establish socialism. Therefore, the World Socialist Movement puts forward the socialist case so that people can decide for themselves. Once the vast majority makes the decision in favour of socialism, then it will elect socialist representatives or delegates to prove its majority, and to serve as a temporary focal point to administer the elimination of capitalism and the creation of socialism. But it won't be, and could not be, the elected representatives or delegates who create socialism, it will be the people of the world as a whole. The vast majority of the people of the world are working class, so socialism will be established by the working class. It also means that ordinary people will have to do all of the work required. The capitalist class isn't going to do it, and professional socialists (whatever they might be) aren't going to do it. The only way to establish socialism is for people to work for it.robbo203 wrote:jondwhite wrote:There was a post about AskASocialist (which no longer seems to exist) on Sep 2011 on spopen. I have startedhttp://askasocialist.blogspot.comMaybe promote this blogspot in some way. I take it you literally mean you started today?
yep started today
There was a post about AskASocialist (which no longer seems to exist) on Sep 2011 on spopen. I have startedhttp://askasocialist.blogspot.com
A recording of Neil Kinnock speaking to the Parliamentary Labour Party has been leaked onlinehttp://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/08/secret-recording-neil-kinnock-jeremy-corbyn-step-down-speech-to-mps-in-full
Quote:I don’t know what case is being made by saying that – and I quote – ‘Jeremy had the biggest majority in history’ – he didn’t. In 1988 – in a different electoral system, admittedly – my majority against Tony Benn was 88.6%. Tony got 11.4%, with the assistance of Dennis [Skinner], of course, and the assistance of Jeremy Corbyn, of course. No talk of unity or loyalty could suppress their enthusiasm. [Loud applause]In the constituency parties, that in 1981 had overwhelmingly voted for Tony’s leadership candidature, the result was Kinnock 82%, Benn 18%. Why? Because the constituency parties, the rank and file, had decided they’d had enough of posturing and hectoring and they wanted to give the Labour party a real chance of securing advance and power. And we gained 3.1m votes because of those people.Now then, we can take further instruction from modern history, the way in which, in the supermarket, people said: ‘I want to vote Labour, but I can’t vote for Ed Miliband’. I heard it, oh yes I heard it. Apply the supermarket test for Jeremy Corbyn and see what answer you get.We know what answer we’re getting on the doorstep. Yes I’ve been around raising money like you Dennis [Skinner], for many, many, many years – I think it’s probably a bit more than a million. I’ve been around raising money and I go on the doorstep and I talk to people. I quote one person, just one, out ofYoung Master Smeet wrote:A confirmatory referendum would be perfectly sensible, indeed, I suspect there'd be several. There would be big differences, an election with sufficient support for the change would have happee first, and the predominant party would be in charge, and would have expressly announced a referendum; th party in power would more likely than not have a detailed plan/programme that it would be asking to be confirmed (as well as a detailed description of what each result of the referendum would mean), t wouldn't be a weird #referendum to not ave socialism. It would also have detailed opportunities for a fresh election after the results. I'd also expect some sort of citizens assembly/jury to look at th detail of the question and the process.I doubt it would be a referendum for 'socialism' but a referendum on the key aspects: "Should all residential properties be brought into comon ownership, and a right to housing be assured?' or somesuch.Also, I'd expect the results to be binding.I think you may misunderstand, I think the original poster is talking not about a confirmatory referendum but one initiated by others outside the party (the ruling class perhaps?) prior to the establishment of socialism (and prior to a general election sending a majority of socialist delegates to parliament). And whether the party would take a view, on one with our definition or (more likely) one where 'socialism' was left undefined? And also what if 52% voted in favour of 'socialism' either our definition or undefined?
