jondwhite
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I spoke to the ICL/Sparts and expressed surprise at their Defend Corbyn signs. The American lady asked if I supported Corbyn and I said he's not going to abolish the wages system. She asked what about workers interests and I replied they're workers because of the wages system then she got fed up and stopped discussing with me.I also spoke with a former Workers Power candidate in Vauxhall who was selling Red Flag 'a broad publication'. He asked if our position on a united Ireland was a pacifist one. I replied we aren't in favour of border controls or passports. He was much more prepared to chat cordially for much longer.One lady selling unofficial Momentum publications first issue called Clarion was unaware of the history of the Clarion despite their being an article on it inside.Other usual suspects were there with SPEW calling for "democratic reselection" of Labour MPs but presumably not their own leaders. Lets remember they forced Marxist World out of CWI not so long ago.Hard to tell if AWL and Labour Party Marxists are reaping the rewards but they were both prominent too.
If you look at the right column and scroll down there is a small icon that links to the official Facebook SPGB page
I thought they were talking about the one used by comrades in North America which I was under the impression was independent before becoming a Google Group although in the Bernie topic an e-mail list is mentioned.
mcolome1 wrote:alanjjohnstone wrote:Came across this article which made me think we have not benefited from Sanders "socialism" legacy.http://www.commondreams.org/views/2016/09/12/seizing-moment-young-socialists-take-old-democratic-guardQuote:"DSA membership has been exploding," Kayla Pace, the co-chair of the Young Democratic Socialists of America (YDS), DSA's student section, told me in an interview. "DSA is getting 200 new members a month on average, this is up from the year prior with only 50 to 75 recruits a month."I'd hazard a guess that other organisations in America claiming to be "socialist" are also reaping a growth in membership from the Sanders "socialist effect"Could we have done something different, something more?Even if it was just only 2 or 3 new members a month, even one or two a month, it would have had an enormous impact upon the WSPUS
If they change their principles to a stateless, leaderless, and moneyless society they will not get one every month. Workers are more attracted toward reformism. The SLP of America is older than all those organizations and it is defunct
The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways. The point, however, is to change it. So could we have done something different, something more?
I won't fire one off but I might give it some consideration to try and come up with an interesting letter.
LBird wrote:jondwhite wrote:I object to lumping utopian socialists in with the SPGB.Your premise, that there are only two opposing 'factions', 'utopian' and 'scientific', is what is at issue, jdw.Once you question that Engelsian premise, your statement doesn't make sense.Marxists are 'utopian-scientific' socialists, to use the terms above.As mcolome1 correctly suggests, 'ideas' of what reality can become must precede the building of that reality.Marx's social 'theory and practice', by which the producers plan their production, to their own interests and purposes.
I'm not saying there are only two types but I'd be surprised if anyone thought there was no ideological distinction between TZM and SPGB for example or Owen and Marx for another example.
I object to lumping utopian socialists in with the SPGB. Can anyone see the difference between The Zeitgeist Movement for example and the SPGB in spite of both wanting common ownership?
Young Master Smeet wrote:gnome wrote:the consequences of copyright infringement have been grossly exaggerated.No, the risk of getting caught is low, but the potential harm is high, especially if maliciously enforced: the remedy is simple, as there is plenty of public domain or creative commons material available: and being able to demonstrate a generally diligent response to issues of IP and copyright makes it easier to defend claims when we do slip up. It's not rocket science.
So there's no other issue, other than copyright in the event the potentially infringing material was removed and the same video resubmitted?
There was also the video exclusively on blip.tv produced in the early 2000s at head office which used an old party banner. This was not the debate with Ian Bone.https://www.worldsocialism.org/spgb/forum/world-socialist-movement/bliptv-interview-early-2000shttp://www.worldsocialism.org/spgb/forum/website-technical/video-removed
Quote:It's not what it looks like, I was just helping establish a society of common ownership!Somehow, I don't think it'll catch on.I don't think sexual liberation needs socialism and I dread to think how this might be imposed on the unwilling. Like Gerry Healy in the WRP? Like the 'horizontal recruiters' in the 'Revolutionary Workers League'? At least there is no suggestion that Sheridan's shenanigans were anything other than consensual and at least not prevented by the morality of the Pope or Rupert Murdoch or any other media mogul.
