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results from another reddit surveyhttps://www.reddit.com/r/socialism/comments/557juv/results_of_the_rsocialism_environmental_survey/

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Perhaps Socialist Appeal could explain this from libcom

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In the 80s Militant under junior Lenin Ted Grant had the "disease of capitalism" position. I was involved in a campaign to get local authorities to include lbgt in their equal opportunities employment policies. Tommy Sheridan would always force a gay Militant member to speak against us. He knew that the man did not agree with the line but this was a test of loyalty. A large group of their membership disagreed with granddad Grant and it was seen a vulnerability that other sects could exploit and cause splits and steal members. When Grant died they changed their position very quickly- and without any pretence of an explanation. After a Labour Party Young Socialists meeting a group of Militant thugs attempted to queer bash me and a friend- we got away and to my amusement I met two of the perpetrators when I was out on the piss with the wildest of my mates a month or so later- we never beat them up (not my style) but we followed them from bar to bar taunting them. I guess if you trawl the bottom of Bolshevik pond you may still find some such prehistoric creatures still lurking in the slime today.

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Yep its satire, and I should have said the 'publication' is called 'Workers Girder' whereas the 'organisation' is 'Proletarian Democracy'.There is also Workers Spatulahttps://workersspatula.wordpress.com/

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Osama Jafar wrote:

What happened in Russia is party state capitalism, but what SPGB propose is workers state capitalism the highest & Rudest Stages of capitalism which we are already in.Thanks for you all, i have no further addition.

I think that's what they call a mic drop.https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/shortcuts/2016/may/02/obama-out-mic-drop-white-house-correspondents-dinner

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As you would expect both Trump and Hillary have action figures, Hillary since her 2008 campaign.

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More news on Trump conning the Freedom Girlshttp://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/09/06/usa-freedom-girls-sue-trump-campaign-for-stiffing-them.html

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We want socialism now (or as is said on twitter inaccurately 'full communism now').Without a majority, socialist won't happen (overnight or otherwise).With a majority, socialism will happen but work wil be required to convert a society of private property into common ownership.You might be interested in News from Nowhere by William Morris (and to a lesser extent A Dream of John Ball) and also the responses to the Road to Socialism;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_Party_of_Great_Britain_breakaway_groups#Spanner

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Take a look at our Editorial from October 1904 titled 'The Futility of Reform' and let us know if you need it in plainer languagehttp://www.worldsocialism.org/spgb/socialist-standard/1900s/1904/no-02-october-1904/editorial-futility-reform'Transformationism' might be what we would reject as gradualism. 'Practicism' might be what we would reject as utopianism.What would likely be gradual is persuading members of the working class to support establishment of socialism not policies as stepping stones.By all means, grow-your-own-veg but Monsanto, Wallmart-ASDA etc. still rule the food markets.

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Steve-SanFrancisco-UserExperienceResearchSpecialist wrote:

I don't think most americans are ready to accept somethign using the name Socialism or Communism, but most of us are so uninformed we wouldn't know socialism or communism if it came to us under a different name.   

see here for evidence to the contraryhttp://depts.washington.edu/moves/SP_intro.shtml

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TOUR DATES CONFIRMED SO FAR: 28 September: Newcastle, 7pm, Broadacre House NE1 6HQ29 September: Glasgow (1pm, Queen Margaret Union – 22 University Gardens G12 8QN)29 September: Edinburgh (7pm, Augustine United Church EH1 1EL)30 September: Manchester, 7pm, Friends Meeting House M2 5NS1 October: Chesterfield, 2pm; Sheffield, 5pm Union St Bar, S1 2JP3 October: Camden, 7pm Crossroads Women's Centre, NW5 2DX4 October: Leicester5 October: Tower Hamlets6 October: Lewisham: Goldsmiths College, 6:30pm

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The cover looks like an issue of Proletarian Democracy

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Isn't it like the argument for rent control. Capitalists just move their money into more lucrative ventures. They'll get your surplus value somehow.

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How can you be anything other than 'within capitalism'?

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The Labour party tried this sort of thing between 1940s and 1970s.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Board_for_Prices_and_Incomes

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Would it help if a SPGB member was willing to deliver a public talk in Brighton?

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