Capitalist Pig
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you talk in very vague terms and it seems you don't really understand what you are saying. You aren't going to convert people to your ideology by relentlessly demonizing capitalism. You are starting to remind me of a religious fanatic that preeches the end of the world if you don't conform to their set of beliefs. sorry but I can't keep hitting my head against a brick wall anymore
alanjjohnstone wrote:The proof of the pudding is in the eating…promises are just that…promises…As an individual and not representing the WSM, i say to globalist Trump – GET THE FUCK OUT OF SCOTLANDhttp://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-inauguration-protests-what-life-like-donald-trump-presidency-what-to-expect-from-trump-a7534736.htmlhttp://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2017/01/20/scotland-isnt-celebrating-donald-trumps-inauguration/96823794/http://bright-green.org/2016/11/05/21-acts-of-defiance-scottish-peoples-10-year-war-against-trump-and-the-politicans-who-backed-him/actions are louder than words. just look at what he has done to devestate the globalists, or the people that want corporate monopolies one world government and open borders. or do you just not care
alanjjohnstone wrote:so its a crime to hire people that want to see his agenda succeed? Don't really see the point of linking this 'progressive' website
alanjjohnstone wrote:And on and on it goes ….Trump has selected yet another Goldman Sachs executive to fill a senior role in his administration, naming the firm's current managing director, James Donovan, to serve as deputy Treasury secretary.Donovan would be the sixth member of Trump's team with ties to Goldman, which was once described as "a great vampire squid wrapped around the face of humanity, relentlessly jamming its blood funnel into anything that smells like money."Donovan's now-boss, Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin, also worked at the investment bank. National Economic Council director Gary Cohn; White House senior counselor for economic initiatives Dina Powell; and chief strategist Steve Bannon also formerly held positions within the very institution that Trump pointed to on the campaign trail as a symbol of Wall Street corruption and greed. Jay Clayton, Trump's nominee to lead the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC), was a Goldman Sachs attorney.Draining the swamp…do you still believe that, CP, when Trump criticised Hilarity Clinton of giving speeches to Goldman Sachs but as he said…Jail Clinton was merely an election slogan not to be thought of as a election pledge to be carried outso you believe if someone is from goldman they are not capable of doing a good job or carrying out trump's agenda? I'm sorry but this argument is just very beneath you
alanjjohnstone wrote:Just to clarify, CP, you say "south dakota pipeline is to be completed with american made steel, – Not true nor will the Keystone Pipeline which is to be revived be built with US steelhttp://nbc4i.com/2017/03/04/keystone-dakota-access-pipelines-wont-use-us-steel-despite-pres-trumps-pledge/In his War against ISIS he is also contradicting his other promise of not getting involved in more foreign wars. Trump did what Obama didn't do…put boots into Yemen and into Syria, already one body-bag has returned.Those executive orders on entry to the US were defined as contraventions of the US constitution by Federal judges which you have defended as a inviolable principle and was by all neutral experts described as ill-judged and vague.Yes and many of those regulations Trump promises to be remove and bring back businesses is a race towards the bottom.I think my previous post fully explains to you that Trump put business before the American people and is setting up a replay of another financial crash.You probably don't rate him and believe he is the anti-Christ, the Devil Incarnate him this is Chomsky's opinion.yea meant keystone.trump is sending troops small amounts of troops to take out isis strongholds instead of funding them through rouge states. Obama was an isis supporter and an extremist so don't make it seem like they are similar in that respect in any way. Debating whether this is the best approch is another thing.The exeuctive branch has complete control when it comes to immigration so long was it does not violate the constitution. the 9th circuite's decisions are overturned around 80% of the time by the supreme court.no it doesn't, you just do not like trump because anyone who is successful in anyway is an evil capitalist. its sad reallyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rc6T938rRq4 <good interview of trump
robbo203 wrote:Capitalist Pig wrote:so what about all the low skilled labourors? will they just go on to program computers instead? the decision to automate everything will leave a great many people idle not to mention the risks full automation brings.The point I am making is that in socialism we have a choice about what work we wish to automate and the degree to which we want to automate. In capitalism we dont. Market competition settles the matter for us. Capitalist businesses are obliged by market competition to each increase their own market share (which necessarily means at the expense of their comercial rivals). To that end, they try to undercut their rivals pricewise by reducing unit costs through increased labour productivity or mechanisation, So some technological innovation might be introduced by a particular business which temporarily gives it an edge in the commercial rat race and obliges other businesses to follow suit. Since only living labour produces surplus value (profit) – not machines – the gradual displacement of workers by machines results in what Marx called the tendency for the rate of profit to fall. However, he also suggested that there are counteracting tendencies at work. An example of such a counteracting tendency is that as techological unemployment grows, it tends to push down wage levels. What that means is that it then becomes more commercially attractive for employers to take on more workers and this has the effect of slowing down the pace of technological innovation or mechanisation It is the combined of overall effect of all these differnent tendencies, some working in a direction opposite to that of others, that determines the level of automation in general. The specific nature of the work itself is also a factor. The services or tertiary sector of the economy has traditionally been more labour intensive for all sorts of reasons and this is why you have seen have seen the spectacular growth of the services sector in employment terms compared with manufacturing and the extractive or primary sector. However that is changing with the spread of computerisation and this is effecting the capacity of the service sector to soak up displaced labour from the manufacturing and extractive industries. Personally I think the development of technology is making the need for socialism more and more transperent. It is ironic that you are worrying about the drying up of work in a socialist society. This totally undermines the argument usually made against socialism that people are inherently laxy and wont work unless they are economically forced to via the wages system – a bogus argument anyway since even under capitalism most work – about 55% according to UN figures – is actually carried on outside the money economy
I think their needs to be a balance between automation and human labour
ALB wrote:No, Pig, that's just the sociological fact that's the "study" is trying to explain. It's the "explanation" they come up with that is the junk science. They are claiming that there are genes both for a belief in god(s) and for atheism and that because those who have the supposed gene for religion are outbreeding those who have the supposed gene for atheism it is atheism that will eventually die out.Quote:Atheism is as natural as religion, study suggestsIt may seem obvious that how you’re brought up will influence your worldview, but it turns out there’s a genetic base too.Those with a higher capacity to believe in a god have certain genes.The researchers of the study explain that before the 19th century, there was probably little difference in reproduction rates regardless of whether you had the genes or not.However this then changed: “By the mid-19th century, scientific discoveries had moved to a point that human reproduction was sufficiently well understood that fertility rates began to be impacted, especially in the emerging industrial countries,” the scientists explain.And just as the discovery of evolution was made, the genes that make someone more likely to be religious “gained a reproductive advantage – and were better able to spread through the population,” The Times reports.It's all based on the presupposition that there are genes for religion and for atheism. But this is absurd. People's ideas are not what genes govern (its anatomy and physiology). These are influenced by society and culture.If I'd been the supervisors of these "researchers" I'd have sent them away for regurgitating arguments that went out, as Dave B has pointed out, with the eugenicists and told them to start again.
the article was so full of advertisments i just read part of it they annoy me -_- but you havn't disproved that your beliefs can be influenced by the genetics of your ancestors.
robbo203 wrote:ALB wrote:Pity the whole graph doesn't show (but it will if you click the link). It seems to be about the growth of money wages in ten year periodsrather than pay levels. I see that it's from the person who writes and speaks about Fully Automated Luxury Communism. After listening to a podcast he did last year for the New Economics Foundation I tried to contact him to see if he would do a talk for us but he didn't reply if someome wants to tweet him to try again. Mind you, I don't think William Morris would have thought much of the idea.and of course socialism/communism does not depend on full automation just on the common ownership of the means of production whether automated or not.Yes I agree but I think this kind of meme – "Fully Automated Luxury Communusm" – is very useful indeed as a way of undercutting and negating the kind of objections that are routunely raised against communism/socialism – like the "lazy person" argument or the "who is going to do the dirty work?" argument. Well, automation renders such objections irrelevant. Not only that, it also calls – or rather appears to call – into question the continued viability of capitalism itself. If there are no more jobs left how are workers going to buy back the products of industry, goes the argument. To be clear , I am not saying I agree with the argument. I dont think capitalism can, or ever will, automate wage labour out of existence. But I am looking at the side effects such a line of thinking might have in the minds of the objectors . It has a kind of "shock and awe" effect, to quote that Gulf War phrase. It is deeply disturbing and disruptive in its psychological impact on the case against socialism and I have noticed in the past few years a significant and steady increase in the number of articles talking about the job cutting potential of new technology, especially robotics. A sign of the times perhaps This is why I think socialists should take up this meme and run with it – but not unconditionally, The approach we could use is to say that while we technically could automate a huge chunk of work in socialism we might chose only to automate some of it, thereby putting a positive spin on the nature of work as creative activity a la William Morris and co.
so what about all the low skilled labourors? will they just go on to program computers instead? the decision to automate everything will leave a great many people idle not to mention the risks full automation brings.
ALB wrote:Here:http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/atheists-dying-out-contraception-claims-study-a7626846.htmlAs if ideas such as whether or not a god or gods exist can be inherited genetically.that is not what they are stating, they are stating a fact that religious people have more babies therefore will outpopulate athiest families
everything the donald has done is crippling the globalists' agenda of one world government which is open borders, corporate colonialism and crony capitalism. Why do you hate prosperity?
alanjjohnstone wrote:Yes, CP, you do have a president who is , as you say, looking out for your interests.So maybe you can explain this to us.Loan sharks, payday lenders and rogue debt collectors could be given carte blanche to rip off American customers as part of a touted shake up of the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (CFPB). Randy Neugebauer, considered the favourite to replace the current director of the CFPB, is leading calls for the agency in its current form to be dismantled and his appointment to lead it would likely see the watchdog lose much of its clout. He claimed American consumers should be free to choose loans and mortgages, regardless of whether the deals on offer were good or bad. Neugebauer, who represented west Texas’s 19th congressional district, also voiced his support for payday lenders, despite a lack of transparency and often crippling rates of interest that have led to calls for them to be banned. He also gave his backing to the President’s executive order calling for a review of the 2010 Dodd-Frank financial regulations, saying rules designed to curb the riskiest actions of banks before the financial crisis had been an overreaction.Once more, how can you defend your belief that Trump is on "our" side when everything he is doing shows otherwise. You now know with more analysis from the neutral CBO that the new healthcare plan will leave millions with no cover and paying more for what they get under it. Hoe can you continually take the Trump rhetoric at its face value?you just want to demonize success and wealth, trump wants to embrace it and make everyone else wealthy too. so whats wrong with less bureaucracy and more free market? You will find that money spent privately is much more well spent then money spent by the government.the american health care act is probably not going to pass with many republicans calling it obama care lite and saying they will not support it. The insurance companies have their greedy little hands all over this bill though.
alanjjohnstone wrote:Quote:Certain media outlets sole purpose is to shape public opinion instead of giving you the facts. this has been the case for a while.CP, don't try to teach your granny to suck eggs.The media has invariably had an agenda to push and fake news is not at all a modern thing.Read about Hearst and how his newspaper empire instigated the US/Spanish War that brought Cuba and the Philippines under the American wing. I was brought up with the American news narrative on the Vietnam War. Did you know that the exposure of the My Lai massacre was not broken by the thousands of reporters and journalists in Vietnam, but by a soldier writing a letter to his small hometown newspaper and the story being picked up by some Washington-based reporters. The local Vietnam reporters knew of many such atrocities and thought it so common that it was not worth bringing to the public's notice. And, of course there was the Iraq War and afterwards the media promises to scrutinise the government more but soon as the Libyan Air War begun, such pledges of fact-checking government claims were ignored…as they were when the Syrian Civil War begunJohn Keracher, who you probably not heard of, wrote a pamphlet called the Head Fixing Industry in the 1930shttps://libcom.org/library/head-fixing-industryUpton Sinclair, who you probably do know of wrote the Brass Check.Sure it has not been the 100 days presidents usually have to prove their mettle, but how long will you wait, CP, before you begin to see that Trump is an oligarch/plutocrat and not some political savior. He has now appointed many of his cabinet and outlined some of his social policies which i have indicated they are not and have not been promoting the interests of the American people.I am not accusing Trump of being a fascist, but surely you recognise that some of his chosen advisors and grass-root supporters are neo-fascists. The rest who sympathise with Trump give legitimacy and cover for this very right-wing drift in the American political scene. A Robbo suggested, those who voted for Trump may well have been sincere in seeking a new type pf President, but will soon learn that it is the same old same same but with a different label and different advertising. Be assured though that those on this list do understand that Hilarity Clinton would be very much similar to Trump in not delivering election campaign promises and that Bernie Sanders would be thwarted by the establishment in trying to achieve his. But again, there is no American exceptionalism, this is happening all around the world – disillusionment with the political system…Duterte, Orban, Erdogan…and many many others…Find a scape-goat and promise the cure…and ignore civil rights, human rights and even the nation's own laws. People think Trump is something new…that fake news is something new…nope…been there, seen it, got the tee-shirt.Hopefully, you can begin to see behind the curtain and see that the Wizard of Oz was just a carnival showman.
he's already delivered a month and a half into his presidency. got rid of tpp, south dakota pipeline is to be completed with american made steel, issued an exec order to prevent people from terror havans from coming into our country until we have a better vetting programs, numerous companies have reinvested into the usa because of what trump has said and what he was done so far like getting rid of unneeded regulations, taking out isis instead of playing with them and giving them money and weapons. why don't you read his 100 day plan for america to get a better perspectivehttps://www.whitehouse.gov
[/quote]humans have been killing eachother for shit since the end of time. tribalism is natural.you can say what you want about donald trump but he was the outsider and he won. For the first time in a very long time we have a president that will look out for our interests instead of the interests of multinational corporations. You will try to divide us by income but I see myself as an american not a capitalist or a worker.[/quote] Again, I must tell you you, you must do some reading in human history, and Anthropology. What you have said are just historical distortion. There was a longer period in the human society where peoples lived in harmony and common cooperation and peace. even more, in modern times, religious groups like the Jews, Christian and Islamic lived together in peace and harmony for more than 900 years in the Middle EastWhich tribes ? Probably, you have not read about that either, because just a particular group like the Tainos they lived in peace for thousands of years, until their society was invaded by the European Feudalists, the USA historian known as Francis Jennings published a iong investigation about the real founders of the Americas known as the Indians and he has proven that they lived in peace and harmony for thusands of years. You must be watching too much cowboy moviesYou have been in this forum for a long time, and you should know that we define class according to their relationship with the means of corporation, the society that you are defending is the one who has divided human beings according to their income, and they have created a false concept known as the middle class, which does not exist, In this forum we have said many times that there is not president able to alter the market system, on the contrary, the market system will alter them, therefore, there is not president separated or elevated above the economical base of any class society, it has been proven thousands of times through the economic history of the human society.There have been some presidents who have tried to create reform for their society and they have been overthrown by the ruling class of the same society that you are defending. Donald Trump like any other president has ihis own boss, and history has not been made by presidents or individuals, we have discussed that thousands of times in this forums. If you do not read the appropiate sources you will never learn new ideas. We guide about critical analysis based on the Materialist Conception o History, and we have explained that idea many time in this forum, if you do not read the proper sources you will not understand what we are saying in this forumAll human beings living in the Americans continents and Islands are called Americans, and that will include the peoples from the Antilles, the concept of American was created by the ruling class of the USA, even more, Mexico and Venezuela are known as United Statew, they are societies divided in Bourgoises and Proletarian, it is nothing exclusive. [/quote]sorry it condradicts your narritive but humans have been fighting eachother forever. don't really know what to say. just saying that alot of people identify as 'americans' not 'the working class' or 'the capitalist class' myself included. who are trump's bosses then? he ran almost exclusively using his own money. If I disagree with this statement i'm not uninformed I just have an opinion that isn't yours.
