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“Marx himself clearly warned of the dangers of a ‘materialist’ elite.”
I’m not saying that we do not need to be aware of self proclaimed elites (of whatever persuasion) , but I would be interested if you could provide chapter and verse for your assertion, Birdy boy. Starting to feel like old times again, what with you rattling on and another thread having a troll. All we need now is Brian to tell us all off and start handing out warnings.
It is also nice to think that some of the crypto-religious fuckwits are having a miserable day to day.
“Do I find SPGB meetings extensively advertised on the facebook group…..no I do not. Case proved”
Just because you can’t find it doesn’t mean “case proved” that it isn’t there. All it proves is that you can’t find it. Judging by that questionable use of logic, you leaving the SPGB to join the anarchists may be indicative of a pattern.
Still struggling to work out your crossword clue for you though, is it carrot?
I was talking to someone I know yesterday who is interested in the party case and suggested he join the forum. I looked at the site today and couldn’t find anyway that new members could sign up to join, any one able to offer advice?
I also think it would be really good to have the PM system back, it was very useful.
In terms of other sites, the one that Optrex uses is very good, I would go as far as to day it’s a site for sore eyes 😆 😆
Couldn’t agree more. There is a danger that we could end up being seen as some kind or moralistic sect, this has never been the party case and to me shows an illiberal attitude which is completely at odds with the party case. I have absolutely no objection to the lentil stew mob having options for dining but to have a vegetarian only party function would be outrageous to me.
“They found that climate change can be checked enough only if diets change to include more plant-based food and reductions in meat and dairy products.”
The problem with that formulation is that it is based on a capitalist model of production. A Socialist model of production would cut greenhouse gases dramatically.
Consider all of the greenhouse gases that won’t be produced by the estimated 1/2 of the jobs currently being undertaken that won’t need to be undertaken any more. Just think about the amount of greenhouse gases produced keeping the insurance, banking, finance, accountancy, stock exchange, etc. etc. businesses going.
Think how much greenhouse gases are produced transporting these workers to their place of employment, keeping them warm or cool when they are there, making desks for them to sit behind, producing computers for them to check their emails on, producing printers to print off whatever it is they have been doing, the postal staff employed taking post to and from them, producing water coolers for them to gather around, producing pin stripe suits for them to go to meetings in, etc. etc. etc. You can add to that the greenhouse gases produced flying executives around the world to meaningless conference generating even more hot air!
I’m sure the loss of all of those useless jobs would more than offset the gases created by the production of a few sausages.
There are approximately 35 million rabbits living wild in the UK, another huge food source that is overlooked. There’s a butcher up in the Tyne valley that sells Grey Squirrels, which is a pretty tasty treat as well.
Add to that all of the wasted food because people don’t want to eat ugly veg or people don’t know how to cook unusual cuts of meat. Mutton for example is fantastic food but older ewes are given away to kennels or sold off to pet food manufacturers because very few people even consider it.
In addition there are acres and acres of uncultivated land in the UK alone, allotments are a very efficient and environmentally friendly way of producing food, convert half the bloody golf courses and country clubs in to allotments and there’d be more than enough to go around.
So I would conclude that there is no need to go over to vegetarianism, as long as we can ban golf!
nice to see you’ve stopped grumbling about something at last Private Fraser 🙂
My self determination might well involve me keeping several juicy Saddlebacks and perhaps a medium white or two.
As you state in your post, your preferred option is……. but you shouldn’t assume that all Socialists prefer your option and even less so that a majority of socialists would chose those options.
“so we can suggest that there will definitely be a change of diets with socialism – to paraphrase Lenin – Less but better”.
You can suggest it, but it’s not part of the party case as far as I remember. My vision of socialism is of self determined free access, within the democratic wishes of society, not some kind of quasi Calvinist, joyless, alcohol free, vegetarian regime.
It is claimed that pork has far less environmental impact than beef or lamb, so pork pies, pork sausages and bacon may be the way forward, not to mention black pudding, white pudding and pork scratchings. Also pigs can be fed on a great deal of waste food production, although this has been banned in the EU following the foot and mouth outbreak, it was common practice for schools and canteens to have a swill bill, the problem was that some pig farmers had been feeding untreated swill to their pigs, to save money, not a problem in a Socialist Society. Another plus for the pig is that they will quite happily eat com manure and other forms of slurry again very environmentally friendly.
That was either the politest insult I’ve ever read, or the most unusual come on I’ve ever had. Not sure which?
Also I’m not keen on the “Howdy” at the top right hand side, we can loose that straight away, bloody Americanisms!!!!
Hi Pat
(Hope all is well with you and yours)
Whilst I agree that the site doesn’t look fantastic at the moment, since it has been up and running their have been incremental improvements. I would hope comrades would allow a bit of tie to make improvements before being overly critical.For my two penn’orth I would like to see a return of the PM function, quote options, preview before posting options, as we used to have.
Something I would like to have which wasn’t in the old forum would be to have the facility to save draft contributions, so it is possible to return and complete contributions.
