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What about us poor Geordies. People around here don’t put their coat on until it’s minus 15. People get heatstroke at minus 5. And all the poor people of Sunderland, they’re waiting for hell to freeze over so they can get back in the Premiership
Sorry for the tardiness of my reply, been to the pub to watch the Mighty Magpies triumph for the third time in a row!
More than happy to discuss the work of Vygotsky. Very interesting guy on lots of levels.
Do you want to start a new thread when you have your copy?
Without commenting too much on the pros and cons, it is amazing that outlets like the BBC do not appear to understand the difference between the Council of Europe and the EU and the difference between the European Court of Human Rights and the European Court of Justice
“out of interest what should we focus our message on?”
Hmm that’s an interesting question, maybe spreading Socialist ideas?
L Bird
On a more conciliatory note, I’m not sure if you are aware of Vygotsky and his work, but if not I though if your not it would interest you.
Here is a link to pretty good website, although whilst they do acknowledge the Marxist element of Vygotsky’s theoretical approach, they don’t really apply it to the material he produced. He is much better understood through his original work, although I cannot find any links to his work.
Cheers
T
Nice to see you are following your historical pattern and not answering the questions put to you. In the hope of a straight answer:
As you have pointed out on several occasions, I am as thick as two short Planck’s Constants. In your proposed system having science under common ownership do I get to vote on theories of areas of science which I have no particular interest or knowledge?
You state:
“He doesn’t address the issue of ‘matter’ as the ideological form that ‘private property’ takes within the physics of class societies, since the Ancient Greek thinkers,”
Can you please expand on this statement, can you point to exact texts and references where any other person has come to a similar conclusion.
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“or that ‘matter’ has been long regarded as simply another name for ‘god’,”
If matter has long been regarded as another name of god, it should be fairly easy for you to point out examples of this taking place.
L Bird
I have made a political response, for that see the thread that I set up. I notice that you have studiously ignored the questions posed, as per usual, and have carried out your usual smoke and mirrors response.
So why don’t you answer the political question posed on the thread I started? I can only assume you are frightened that the fragility of the position you put forward will be exposed once again.
Why not go to the thread set up for discussion of your ideas and answer the questions posed. I can only assume that if you don’t then it is because you’re frightened of the exposure of your ideas to criticism by class conscious members of the working class?
Dear L Bird
As a way of demonstrating our democratic commitment I am going to open a thread on the forum exclusively for discussion about having an “open and democratic discussion about having ‘science’ under ‘a system of common ownership and genuine democratic control‘. I will use these very words as its title.
You could demonstrate your commitment to democratic discussion by using this thread to discuss this concept and not derailing other threads.
You criticise the SPGB, however I doubt that there are any other political organisations who have tolerated your interjections in the way that we have.
You may even find that other members of the forum are willing to join in the discussion, to start the ball rolling, I will place a question for you on the thread.
All I would say is please behave with a bit of respect and use the thread to show case your ideas and not spread it out all over other threads, like an excited puppy learning to piss on newspaper for the first time.
Vegans don’t eat insects (on purpose anyway)”, as they are sentient beings. There is some debate amongst them about eating bivalves (mussels, oysters, etc) as bivalves don’t have a formal brain structure and whether or not they can feel pain is debatable. I’m not sure what the rule is for killing animals for non food reasons, pest control, etc.
“If just one-quarter of the estimated 33% animal-derived energy in pet food was consumable by humans, it alone would support the animal-derived energy consumption of 26 million Americans (with 19% of their energy in derived from animal products). This same energy is equal to the entire energy requirement of almost 5 million Americans, or approximately the population of Colorado. If animal-derived energy was converted to its plant equivalent, one-quarter of the animal-derived energy in US dogs’ and cats’ food would support ~35 million humans. If even only 5% of the animal-derived energy in pet food could be eaten by humans, this would be equivalent to the animal-product consumption of more than 5 million Americans, and the total energy consumption of 1 million Americans, or about the population of Montana”
Even by your very high cheery arsed standards, you have surpassed yourself with this one, Alan.
Our next election leaflet could read, “Vote for Socialism, vote for eating Pedigree Chum”
I’m sure the working class would be flooding to that particular banner!
“Taxing red meat will save the health service £ millions” is unfortunately another misuse of statistics. A health economist once explained to me that the “economics” of illness prevention do not add up, because the statisticians miss one vital point. At some point we all die.
If we put in place illness prevention, all we are doing is kicking the likelihood of death further down the road, we will all reach it at some point.
Smoking, alcohol and perhaps red meat all might lead to heart disease, diabetes, cancer, etc. but these are much “cheaper deaths” than Alzheimer’s disease, long term disability, and all of the other enduring and very expensive to treat illnesses of later life, which are effectively “expensive deaths”.
For the capitalist system the optimal health state of the working class is to be hale and hearty until the moment we can work no more, and then for us to die off quickly and inexpensively. Expect to see guidance from the government extolling the health benefits and virtues of smoking, drinking alcohol, eating lard by the bucket full and the daily consumption of a full English (also Scottish, Welsh, Irish, Cornish and Northumbrian) breakfast, but only for retirees.
L Bird Wrote –
“Alan wrote “And if you did read my earlier post, i would like your answer to why capitalism continues to be supported.”
Because the alternative to capitalism, ie, socialism, would require a class conscious revolutionary proletariat organised upon democratic lines, to socially produce it.
EVERY ‘materialist’ party tells workers that they can’t change ‘matter’.
Then, underhandedly, those parties propose an elite to take control of the social production of physics, maths, logic, truth, reality, etc., etc.
It’s obvious to any worker who joins those parties that they don’t intend to let workers determine ‘science-for-workers’.
Hence, 135 years after Marx’s death, capitalism is going strong, and will continue to do so, because supposed ‘Marxists’ (ie., ‘materialists’) prevent the self-development of any workers who show any interest in overthrowing capitalism.
Capitalism continues to be supported because it works, and the capitalists don’t pretend that they’re going to hand over control to workers, and then don’t, which is what EVERY ‘materialist’ party that has gotten into power has done.
It’s very clear to all workers, that capitalism is the preferred mode of production for their own interests. There is no alternative to a minority in control of ‘truth’, as the ‘materialists’ keep telling them.
Workers might as well have a competent elite in charge, rather than an incompetent ‘materialist’ elite, who can’t even account for the social and historical development of ‘science’, and wish to drag us all back to the 18th century, before Marx wrote.
Any ‘materialist’ party might as well put Rees Mogg in control.”
Birds and Moggies, something tells me that isn’t a great mix!
