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Robbo, you are such a sucker for conspiracy theories ! The name itself of your source – “Truth Revolution” – should have been a warning that it was completely unreliable(Have a look at their current home page : https://thetruthrevolution.net/how-feminism-tricked-women-into-promescuity-giving-up-their-values/ )
“Global Research” is not quite as bad but is still a conspiracy site, run by the notorious conspiracy theorist, Michel Chossudovsky:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michel_Chossudovsky#Centre_for_Research_on_Globalization
This article should persuade you that you don’t need your tinfoil hat:
Nonsense about the Health Effects of Electromagnetic Radiation
What is worrying is that other members are going along with this nonsense. It is a discredit to our party which has always prided itself on taking a rational, scientific attitude.
I agree that result is no guide as to how people might vote in a general election or another referendum or even to if people want another referendum, if only because of the low turnout. Just commenting on the composition of the UK delegation to the European Parliament.
Now that all the results are in the media are beginning to realise that the EP elections are not the sensational victory for the brxiteers they were saying last night.
The UK has 73 MEPs. Of these only 34 are brxiteers (Farague’s 29 plus 4 tories and I DUP). As all the lead Labour candidates were Retainers all the other 39 were Retainers (16 libs, 7 greens , 3 Scotland nats, 1 Welsh Nat , 1 Sinn Fein, 1 NI alliance party, and 10 labourites).
Farague’s party got 29, only 4 more than Ukip in 2014, the extra 5 at the expense of the tories. That’s not going to stop him proclaiming he won though.
Don’t know what this means from our point of view. Not much probably but it does show that xenophobia isn’t dominant.
A comrade did that for the 2014 Euroelections and I’m sure he’ll do it again for these when all the results are readily available. But it won’t be by Westminster constituency, but by “counting areas” which correspond to the 67 local councils in the area.
I copied a figure down wrong. The result in Brighton was not 103 but 180. Not that bad then. We need to find a way to getting a group going there again.
Forgot to add that there were 13,648 spoilt votes. I saw the ones at Guildford and a lot of them were deliberate protests about the election being held, so if you like votes for Brexit.
At the count in Southampton Mike and me chatted with the Independent candidate Jason McMahon who seemed to have some sympathy with Yaris Varouflakis and the European Spring grouping.
Here’s the full result:
Brexit Party – 915,686
Liberal Democrats – 653,743
Green Party – 343,249
Conservative and Unionist Party – 260,277
Labour Party – 184,678
Change UK – the Independent Group – 105,832
UK Independence Party (UKIP) – 56,487
UK European Party (UKEUP) – 7,645
Jason McMahon (Ind) – 3,650
Socialist Party – 3,505
David Round (Ind) – 2,606
Michael Turberville (Ind) – 1,587
Rather disappointing. I’d expected our vote to go up a bit because there’d be a higher turnout (and not to finish so low down the list). However, the election did turn out to be a proxy referendum (won, by the way, despite what most of the media are saying, by Remain) and we lost out in the same way as Labour did for not taking sides in this.
The areas where we did best last time, Oxford and Brighton, are strong Remain areas and the fall in our vote and share there was dramatic. Down from 221 to 83 in Oxford and from 397 to 103 in Brighton. What this suggests is that a large proportion of those prepared to vote for socialism in other circumstances, faced with a referendum on the EU, opted for Remain. This makes some sense as we would hardly expect them to prefer insular English nationalism.
I should have warned you that the count starts with the verification of the ballot papers, i.e that the number of papers is the same as the number of names ticked off on the electoral register. That takes hours and is deadly boring. The real counting of the votes for each list does not start till this has been in done. In Guildford, where I’m going to start with, this isn’t scheduled till 4pm; which is why I’m not planning to get there till then. If they’ve finished in time for me to get to Southampton before 10pm I will see you there but it will have been a long day for you.
Message from one of our sympathisers in Oxford, who will also be a counting agent for us at the count there this evening:
“For information: in the end the two of us did stalls on 3 afternoons, & I also did 5 or 10 shorter leafleting sessions. Definitely met a few likely voters, but not huge numbers.“
Yes there is some co-relation between from where we get comparatively more replies and university towns. The next on the list was Canterbury at 0.4% (equal fifth with Lewes). On the other hand, the response from Reading wasn’t high up on the list while Hastings isn’t a university town. Maybe it was because it’s the Mugsborough of The Ragged Trousered Philanthropists and there are some descendants of those Owen convinced to become socialists. More likely because it has a Labour council and we tend to do better in Labour areas. In Oxford we got more votes than the BNP, so we are talking about “socially liberal” places.
One thing we are ignoring here is the disappointing response to the 215,000 leaflets distributed by Royal Mail. I don’t think they even reach double figures. It can’t have been the wording as it was the same. The layout would have been a factor as we couldn’t offer the 3 free months subscription (only an info pack about our policy in the election as the regulations don’t allow advertising) as we did in the i paper insert. Another important factor will have been the audience. The Royal Mail one was aimed at everyone in the 6 selected areas whereas the i paper insert was targeted at people who were interested in political ideas.
Free postal distribution to everyone may still be useful in terms of raising our profile but not in getting responses to follow up. Also, many (in fact most) responses to the i paper insert came from outside the election area. This meant that our insert was in effect our national Euroelection manifesto. Which suggests that we could use the i paper for general election and other important statements (I wouldn’t be too keen on a rolling 4-month programme of general inserts). Note also that the i paper gets a better response than from other papers as it only has one insert per issue, i.e not a bundle that people can and do throw straight into the bin or let fall out on to the street.
The other statistic that will be a useful indicator as to how to follow up will be the vote. Not the total but where we did relatively better. Last time our average was 0.23% but was 0.56% in Oxford, 0.52% in Brighton, 0.49% in Hastings and 0.44% in Southampton. For the record, the worst was Surrey Heath at 0.09%, i.e less than 1 per 1,000. I don’t know where it is, not sure we need to.
I don’t know about anybody else but the only “usual suspect” apart from Chomsky and Naomi Klein that I have heard of is John Holloway. Anybody heard of any of the others?
I put the sticker on my ballot paper, one of the longest I’d seen because there were eleven independents each paying £5000. Also had a phone call from the widow of a member in Surrey who was so pleased that she had been able to vote for socialism for the first time in her life.
Thanks but there’s something odd about those figures. They show people saying they are going to vote for “Other” when there are no “Others” standing, e.g. in Wales and the North East. In that case “other” could include any party that those polled said they would vote for even if not standing, e.g. BNP, CPB, Women’s Equality Party, etc. We will have to see what happens today (though of course with postal voting a substantial proportion of people have already voted), but which won’t be revealed till 10 o’clock on Sunday.
Yes, that’s all “other” can be: the UKEU Party and the 3 Independents (who have done virtually no activity) and us. Could include, I suppose, those who intend to cast a blank or spoiled ballot paper. 2% is what you need to get your deposit back. If there is a chance of us getting that, as election agent I’ll need to go to Southampton to be able to ask for a recount if we get 1.99% ! At the moment I’m only planning to go to the count in Guilford. Where did you see that stat?
