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KeymasterI didn’t know that there was a village in Ukraine named after the anarchists Sacco and Vanzetti who were murdered by the US state in 1927. Apparently it has just been captured by Russian forces:
How much the Ukrainian nationalists think of this name and tradition can be seen by their renaming of a street in one of the cities — changing it from Vanzetti St to the name of the notorious Azov Battalion:
Ironically, with its new name it is indeed “a street for murderers”.
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KeymasterUkraine has a fairly impressive record of worker self organisation and political activism.
What’s the evidence for that except perhaps for Makhno over a hundred years ago (and that was peasants rather than wage-workers)?
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KeymasterHow could Putin be overthrown and replaced by Prigozhin? Russia is far from being a democratic state but it still has procedures that would not allow this. Putin was elected president and the Russian parliament was elected too. The elections weren’t fair but there is no reason to suppose that the result represented what most people wanted.
If Prigozhin attempted to use his private army to stage a military coup he would come up against the much more powerful
and disciplined regular armed forces. In fact they are the only force that could overthrow him. As long as they remain loyal to him he is safe.The only way he would go would be if he resigns or is forced to resign. There would then have to be another presidential election which I doubt would Prigozhin would win.
The possibility of Prigizhin staging a coup is just NATO propaganda or psychops.
Russia could no more be ruled by armed force alone than could Britain or the USA.
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KeymasterInteresting speculation in today’s issue by a Times journalist (Roger Boyes) of what might happen in the event of it becoming “a forever war”:
Zelensky’s being overthrown and replaced by “a disruptive revanchist dictator”.
Not an impossibility. One candidate might be the armed forces chief, Zaluzhny, an open Banderite sympathiser.
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KeymasterI see that the Russia government itself is now beating the “anti-imperialist” drum or at least dancing to it:
https://tass.com/world/1568509
Thought I’d look the World Anti-Imperialist Platform up. They seem to be a bunch of “Marxist-Leninists” as the Maoists now call themselves.
Towards the World Anti-Imperialist Platform, the Locomotive of World Anti-Imperialist Revolution
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KeymasterNobody is objecting to saying that a further rise to between 2 and 3 degrees above pre-industrial levels (we are already a little abo e 1 degree more) won’t cause serious problems in sone parts of the world which capitalism won’t be able to cope with properly.
What is “alarmist” (which dictionaries defined as “someone who exaggerates a danger and so causes needless worry or panic”) is the claim that the most likely future scenario is somewhere between 3.5 and 4 degrees and that this will reduce the carrying capacity of Earth to only 1 billion humans, ie that up to 9 billion will die of starvation. I don’t think even Malthus would envisage that.
You yourself, Alan, have been — rightly — insistent on debunking “overpopulation chatter”. There is an article in the February Socialist Standard recalling that in the 1960s the likes of Paul Ehrlich were predicting mass starvation before the end of the last century. They were wrong.
Let that be a lesson to us about being alarmist about population.
Also, the effects of a rise to between 2 and 3 degrees will be worse if it happens under capitalism. If it happened on a world socialist society then the problem could be dealt with in a planned and rational way. So capitalism is as much to blame here as climate change.
The real emergency is to get rid of capitalism.
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KeymasterWhen XR was set up on 2018 they claimed that the world was on course for average global temperature to go up to 5 degrees centigrade beyond pre-industrial levels by the end of the century. This was the worst case scenario the IPCC envisaged and was based on the assumption that no action at all would be taken to try to reduce CO2 emissions.
In this article it is claimed that we are now on course for an increase to 3.6 degrees. Which I think was more or less the second worst case scenario in 2018. Which is an implicit admission that something has been done so as to at least prevent the worst case scenario. The 3.6 degrees scenario is again based on nothing (more) being done in the course of the next few decades to reduce emissions. Which is unlikely.
At the moment the likely scenario is that we are on course for an increase of somewhere to between 2 and 3 degrees by the end of the century. Not good but not as bad as 3.6 or 5 degrees.
And what about this:
“Some prominent climate scientists predict that at 7.2°F (4°C) of warming, the planet will be able to support less than 1 billion people. Our human population is expected to reach 10 billion by 2050 at the same time that our food production is decreasing.”
That sounds alarmist to me as, if it happened, that would mean that some 9 million people would perish.
There are different questions here:
1. If there were to be an increase to 4 degrees, would it be the case that only 1 billion out of 10 billion humans would be able to survive?
2. How likely is an increase to 4 degrees?
The first could be true and the second not likely.
Incidentally, presumably, with an increase to 3.6 degrees, billions would still have to perish, even if not the full 9 billion.
If XR Japan are saying that the most likely scenario will involve, say, 5 billion perishing by 2100 due to climate change then, yes, I would say they were being alarmist.
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KeymasterRod Stewart expresses a growing view amongst members of the capitalist class:
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/uk-news/sir-rod-stewart-calls-tory-26084174.amp
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KeymasterYes, and then there’s that Zelensky character. Next he’ll be asking from an atom bomb.
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KeymasterThey are not just reformists but war-mongers leading the charge to revive German militarism.
“The German Green party, which has its roots in the peace movement, has been one of the most avid supporters of more weapons being sent to Ukraine. The party was also actively backing a decision to send Leopard 2 main battle tanks, which the German government approved this week.”
German foreign minister: ‘We are fighting a war with Russia’
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KeymasterMore details of corruption in the Ukraine regime:
https://www.vox.com/world/2023/1/24/23569257/ukraine-corruption-officials-resignation-purge
And we are having to pay higher energy bills to prop up this corrupt regime.
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KeymasterYes, it’s all coming out now in the pro-NATO media what anyone informed about the Ukraine regime already knew from the start — that widespread institutionalised corruption was an integral part of it. Despite this we were told sob stories about “poor little democratic Ukraine” needing to be helped and that we should be prepared to make sacrifices, eg higher energy bills, to do this.
Something is only being done now about it because the US, which is financing the Ukraine government, has become worried about where its money has been going. If they hadn’t brought pressure Zelensky (and the tame pro-NATO media) would have continued to let it pass’
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KeymasterI didn’t know the JWs were banned in Russia. They seem a pretty harmless group of religious nutters. Nutters yes but hardly “extremists”. Had an amusing argument with them when they called round a few weeks ago. Easily won the argument.
Authoritarian states don’t like them because they refuse military service (as they did in the days of the old USSR and even in Nazi Germany) and I suppose the Putin government as defender of the Orthodox Christian faith doesn’t like them because they attack Orthodox Christianity. It is probably true that they themselves don’t care whether where they live is part of Russia or Ukraine since they are not interested in states and politics.
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KeymasterNothing special to say about this except that the February Socialist Standard will have an article refuting unfounded claims about overpopulation making socialism impossible.
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KeymasterYaron Brook assumes that the capitalists who have left Britain are “entrepreneurs” as those who invest in the production of wealth but most of them will be financiers whose connection with wealth production is pretty precarious. They are not even employers of workers who produce wealth. I see in fact that his own business was “asset management” ie investing the riches of the rich on the stock exchange, etc. So a financier himself.
According to this he is a follower of Ayn Rand and so a bit of a nutter:
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