What is socialism/communism
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I have never looked upon communism/socialism as a society based on 'workers democracy' or 'workers control'. If socialism is based on workers control or workers democracy then what about non workers?
Socialism is surely a society based upon people control? A 'worker' is a historically specific category that socialists seek to abolish. Surely?
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Yes the point is (self) abolishment of the working class. So no socialism won't be a society of "workers control" because there won't be any "workers". But don't call me shirley.This is really old hat stuff:http://www.worldsocialism.org/spgb/socialist-standard/1960s/1965/no-725-january-1965/workers-controlThe party of the one true communist should take note…
DJP wrote:But don't call me shirley.But I thought you liked me calling you that.
alanjjohnstone wrote:"Power to the People"Presactly, Alan
When I talk about socialism on various online posting sites that are not specifically political, I am reluctant to use the term "the workers" when talking about a socialist vision for the world. I tend to use "the people", as it comes across more inclusive and avoids a protracted argument about class, that inevitably ends up with some referring to the "middle class"etc.I am aware that it could be seen as a dilution of socialism/communism, but if you can get people to start to think about an alternative way of organising society, it probably does more good than squabbling over who or who isn't working class or middle class. Then there is the issue of who constitutes the ruling class.
Lidl, Waitrose or Fortnum & Mason?The working class – middle class – upper class categorisation is generally thought of as an economic or social one, which is ok as far as it goes. I seem to remember Barltrop using the term 'middle class' in The Monument, having qualified his use first. It's the political aspect people don't get .And it somehow just doesn't sound right that the more well-heeled, affluent types, though not capitalists, are part of the working class.In many ways we are strait-jacketed by our own terminology.
If you're obliged to work – at whatever, blue collar, white collar, low, middle or high income, wage or salary , in order to support your life's needs – you're working class. Just keep reminding people of that.
I would be interested to know what is meant by a 'workers democracy'. For example, what about the non 'workers'.
More embarrassing would be if someone asked what "The World for the Workers" means on the Edwardian party badge that JDW likes (I do too and wear it on special occasions).
ALB wrote:More embarrassing would be if someone asked what "The World for the Workers" means on the Edwardian party badge that JDW likes (I do too and wear it on special occasions).That is a wrong conception created by the Bolsheviks. Workers, and Proletarians, would be eliminated under a socialist-comunist societty, and socialism-communism is not going to be an economical system either
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