Two ex-socialists go funny

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    ALB
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    Ex-comrade Watkins recidives (I think that’s a word, anyway he’s done it again, this time with knobs on):

    https://moneyweek.com/economy/604175/in-praise-of-capitalism-the-noble-path-that-leads-to-profits

    #225562
    alanjjohnstone
    Keymaster

    He is ever so determined to demonstrate how clever he is with the use of a long word – discombobulated.

    Lucky we all have access to online dictionaries

    But what is it about the Party that results is such an intellectual transformation? Who can forget David Ramsay Steele embrace of capitalism?

    #225567
    robbo203
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    Ex-comrade Watkins recidives (I think that’s a word, anyway he’s done it again, this time with knobs on):

    Its pretty cringeworthy as an article and some of the stuff he writes seem questionable. Am I mistaken in thinking he implies Marx held a theory of absolute immiserisation? That would seem to follow from the view he attributes to Marx of capitalism being a zero sum game

    #225573
    ZJW
    Participant

    ALB: I swear on the Bible (just kidding!) that until I tried it again just now — over many years mind you — material on the SLP site has always been ‘protected’ from copy/pasting. (At least on this Win XP I use, not that should make and iota of difference.) I might speculate that SLP member Bernard zealously reads this forum, saw what I said about the impossibilty of copy/pasting, and suggested to the party Head that this was not a clever idea.

    #225574
    ZJW
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    ‘Very odd, though, that they should describe a system they admit to be based on the exploitation of wage-labour as some kind of feudalism rather than of capitalism.’

    A non-marxian use of ‘wage-labour’ is all that is, if that is indeed the term they used.

    Those (including self-intentifying marxists) who advance the view that the myriad leninist state at one point in time or another were not capitalist (in the *marxian* sense) but some other system of undesirable,un-progressive/regressive exploitation will use such terms as ‘wage-labor’ and even ‘capital’ (when they should properly say ‘means of production’ for the latter) as a kind of set of default/analogous terms.

    (As for anarchists, Kropotkin, unlike many other classical anarchists, did not believe in the marxian labor theory of value at all yet he used the terms ‘wage-labor’, ‘capitalism’ etc. Nothing strange in that.)

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