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  • #243999
    Thomas_More
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    #244000
    ALB
    Keymaster

    The narrator here seems to be Thomas Sowell. Now (he must be in his 90s) a free-marketeer. In the 1960s he was a bit of a Marxist and wrote quite a good article in Economica in August 1963 on “Marxian Value Reconsidered”:

    https://www.jstor.org/stable/2601549

    #244012
    DJP
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    “In the 1960s he was a bit of a Marxist and wrote quite a good article in Economica in August 1963 on “Marxian Value Reconsidered””

    Thanks for that. Was not aware of that paper before, it’s quite good yes.

    #244017
    Thomas_More
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    #244018
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    The best book about slavery and slavery rebellion was written by CLR James

    https://politicaleducation.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/CLR_James_The_Black_Jacobins.pdf

    #244021
    Thomas_More
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    Yes, it is a brilliant book. I have it.

    I wonder why the eastern half of Hispaniola, now the Dominican Republic, is a tourist attraction that has escaped the modern fate of Haiti, which was the slave republic?

    I heard also that until a few years ago, Haiti was still paying reparations to France for daring to steal the slaveowners’ plantations!

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    #244025
    Anonymous
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    It is a long historical process and it will need another thread to be discussed. Since 1965 and with the USA invasion of the Dom Republic after the revolts everything changed. The whole island was called HAYTI ( instead of Haiti ) the name Hispaniola was given by the Spaniard. Probably, it would be part of what Marx called the uneven development of capitalism despite the fact that Haiti was the first one to have capitalist foundations

    #244026
    Anonymous
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    This is another good book on the history of Haiti and slavery, the history of Haiti is also linked to the history of the USA, the slaves from the USA used to escape to Haiti because they had better protection under the bourgeoisie laws of Haiti.

    The wide influence of the Haitian revolution has been hidden in latin America due to the fact that they are africans, and instead of Bolivarian it should be called Louverturian and they were influenced by the French enlightenment and the advanced capitalist thinkers of europe

    George Washington wanted to take over Haiti to send the USA slaves to that island to avoid the spread of rebellion within the black population, he was not the saint presented by the historical mythology of the USA, most of those so called founders father had slaves, they supported slavery, or were slaves traders, and banks used slaves as lien for bank loans, it was like placing any commodities as collateral

    There was also slavery in Cuba and most of the Caribbeans islands. The Cuban musicians Bauza said that he had more freedom in Harlem ( Manhattan ) than in Cuba, even more, there was a so called socialist party in Cuba and its whole membership was composed of descendants of Black slaves and the anarchists had more incidence within the working class than the stalinists, trotskyists and the Leninists.

    Mexico after its independence eliminated slavery by law but the USA continued chattel slavery, some of those so called Latin American liberators they also had slaves and racism prevails in many countries, which shows that racism has class basis ( we have a good pamphlets which covers all the aspect of racism ) some writers like Franz Cannon have tried to explain colonialism and racism based on psychological factors, but that is not the proper explanation and the proper cause of the situation.
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    I wonder why the eastern half of Hispaniola, now the Dominican Republic, is a tourist attraction that has escaped the modern fate of Haiti, which was the slave republic?

    I heard also that until a few years ago, Haiti was still paying reparations to France for daring to steal the slaveowners’ plantations!

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    They are also paying for the cost of the war with France which was defeated by the black Jacobins, and the government of Haiti submitted a claim of reparation through the international court for 50 billions and Aristides ( ex jesuit father ) was removed, and also Nicaragua won a mandamus for more than 50 billions for reparation from the USA and the ICC decree was not honored. There are some geologists who have said that Haiti has more petroleum than Venezuela
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    PD The only problem with Dr Gerald Horne is that he sees everything based on the issue of racism, he does not go to deep into the class basis of racism because also white were descriminated

    #247794
    Almamater
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    No to U.S. intervention in Haiti!

    Possible intervention of US in Haiti

    https://en.internationalism.org/250_nwbcw.htm

    France and US intervention in Haiti

    Extracted from one article
    Today the priest of the slumdwellers, Aristide, is implicated in the lucrative drug trade and has proved himself as corrupt as other figures in the Haitian bourgeoisie. He has been sacked by his American and French godfathers. Despite the protests from South Africa, from the Community of the Caribbean and from some Democrats in America, who are clamouring for an international inquiry into the undemocratic eviction suffered by their ‘pet’, the United States has continued to remind one and all that it calls the shots. One more time, military intervention does not have the objective of restoring ‘civil peace’. And despite Bush and Chirac’s mutual congratulations for their excellent co-operation in Haiti, the only point on which these gangsters agree is that it was necessary to intervene militarily. For the rest, it is competition that dominates and every man for himself is the only policy in operation, even if that generates even more chaos and massacres for the civilian population. Each will attempt to put its own men in government. For the moment it seems that the United States has seized the advantage in this imperialist rivalry: “In ringing the bell for the end of the party for Guy Philippe, who they had supported, the United States imposed itself as the sole masters of the game in Haiti. They have removed Aristide, made his armed opponents surrender, put their own men in the key sectors of the administration. And, in addition, they have excluded France from the final outcome of the crisis in which Paris had, until then, played a role of the first importance” (Liberation 5 March).

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