Russian Tensions
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I see that tensions are rising at the moment between Kosovo and Serbia and there is talk of another war breaking out with the US and EU siding with Kosovo in urging the Serbian regime to scale down its military threat.
Kosovo, originally under Serbian control unilaterally declared its independence in 2008 and was supported by the West in that. Remind me again – what is the essential difference between Kosovo vis-a-vis Serbia and Donbas vis-a-vis Ukraine?
It all goes to show once again the stupidity, irrationality, and utter hypocrisy of all nationalist thinking and the warmongering nationalists
Yes, and don’t forget that NATO also waged a war against Serbia in 1999 which they did all the things that they denounce Russia for doing in Ukraine—bombing hospitals, civilian infrastructure and fleeing columns of refugees. There are still NATO troops in Kosovo.
“The NATO bombing killed about 1,000 members of the Yugoslav security forces in addition to between 489 and 528 civilians. It destroyed or damaged bridges, industrial plants, hospitals, schools, cultural monuments, private businesses as well as barracks and military installations. In the days after the Yugoslav army withdrew, over 164,000 Serbs and 24,000 Roma left Kosovo. Many of the remaining non-Albanian civilians (as well as Albanians perceived as collaborators) were victims of abuse which included beatings, abductions, and murders.“
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_bombing_of_Yugoslavia
Then they just used their air power. Now, in the Ukrainian armed forces, they have boots on the ground and all they need do is supply the weapons.
A similar outcome can be expected if ever they NATO-armed Ukraine state succeeds in “recovering” the Donbass and Crimea. The destruction and damage of “bridges, industrial plants, hospitals, schools, cultural monuments, private businesses” is going on now as we speak. The ethnic cleansing and massacres would ensue in the event of “success”.
As you say, what hypocrites in their pro-war propaganda but of course par for the course in a world of competing capitalist states and blocs coming into conflict over economic resources and trade routes and seeking geopolitical dominance to achieve or protect these.
Yesterday Putin gave a speech which the Russian authorities billed as important. In it he defended the Russian capitalist state’s war in terms of Realpolitik (rather his other nonsense about Ukrainians being lost Russians or defending the values of Orthodox Christianity). Basically, his argument was that the Russian state was threatened by Western expansion up to its borders.
In the course of the speech he mentioned something that is often overlooked — that at one time post-Soviet Russia considered joining NATO:
“I have said this publicly to both our allies and partners. There was a moment when I simply suggested: perhaps we should also join NATO? But no, NATO does not need a country like ours. No. I want to know, what else do they need? We thought we became part of the crowd, got a foot in the door. What else were we supposed to do? There was no more ideological confrontation.”
I don’t know if there was any realistic prospect of Russia joining NATO but, as Putin pointed out, why not as “there was no more ideological confrontation”? After all, Russia like the NATO countries was openly capitalist.
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2023/10/06/rnau-o06.html
A patriotic non imperialist war according to the left wingers and nationalists who are supporting Ukraine capitalists and warmongers. This war is so important for the USA capitalist class that Joe Biden changed his policy regarding immigration in order to get approval for funding for the war in Ukraine and the Pentagon placed heavy pressure on the president for more military hardware. It is similar to Ronald Reagan proxy war in Nicaragua and Central America when the US congress did not want to provide funding for the war
‘The Speaker of Canada’s House of Commons has resigned after inviting a Ukrainian man who fought for a Nazi unit to parliament and praising him.’ https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-66930482
“You pick some random ‘Ukrainian hero’ to cheer in parliament and he turns out to be a real-life Nazi. What are the chances!
“It almost makes it look like all those ‘Putin apologists’ claiming Ukraine has a Nazi problem (including the entire Western media until 2022) have a point.” – Jonathan Cook
This is what the Pentagon said about their money for Ukraine:
Then, on Tuesday afternoon, the Pentagon issued a statement, prior to the vote to oust McCarthy, declaring that “we need Congress to act to ensure there is no disruption in our support [for Ukraine], especially as the department seeks to replenish our stocks.”This is an analysis made by a leftwing group :
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2023/10/05/pers-o05.html
This is the confirmation:
https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/Article/3547168/continued-support-to-ukraine-replenishing-military-stocks-priorities-for-depart/https://www.politico.com/news/2023/10/04/pentagon-to-send-iranian-weapons-to-ukraine-00119900. Pentagon sending Iranian weapons to Ukraine
Interesting article suggesting that a Russia-Ukraine peace deal could have been reached in the spring of 2022, thus avoiding the catastrophic loss of life that followed. It was apparently the US regime that torpedoed the deal and news of their opposition to the deal was conveyed to Zelensky by the UK messenger boy, B Johnson.
Former German chancellor Gerhard Schroeder was privy to all the wheeling and dealing and provides some insight into this in this article– Robbo203
The whole notion of ‘if you [Ukraine] negotiate a peace deal with Russia, we [the U.S.A] will stop sending you military aid,’ is insane, because why would they need more armaments if they negotiate peace. Cutting off military aid would give Russia more leverage in the peace negotiations; why is this not obvious?!
Article by the group Friends of the Classless Society: ‘Germany at War’:
It seems that there was a chance that this whole pointless bloody war could have been avoided but for the intervention of the Western powers and in particular the person of Boris Johnson who reputedly urged the Kiev regime not to sign anything with Russia that would have prevented war According to this report, Johnson said: “we will not sign anything with them at all, let’s just fight.” If this is true, then this individual has blood on his hands
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“We already know that Ukraine, in early April 2022, rejected to make peace with Russia. We know this from talks by the former prime minister of Israel Naftali Bennet, from the former Turkish foreign minister, from former chancellor of Germany Gerhard Schroeder as well as from reporting from Ukraine.But only now do we hear the same story from a Ukrainian official:
Lord Bebo @MyLordBebo – 21:45 UTC · Nov 24, 2023
🇺🇦🇷🇺🚨‼️ BOMBSHELL: Ukraine admits that Russia only wanted neutrality from them!Russia wanted Ukraine to be neutral like Finnland was! But Ukraine was not sure if they can trust it and then Boris Johnson came and said:
-> “We will not sign anything, let’s do war!”I knew it!
videoThe video in the tweet above has English subtitles. It is part of a Ukrainian TV interview with the leader of the Servant of the People parliament faction David Arakhamia by the journalist Natalia Moseychuk. In March and April 2022 Arkhamia had led the Ukrainian delegation at peace talks with the Russians in Belarus and Turkey.”
U.S. repeatedly blocked Ukraine peace deals; is it rethinking its strategy yet?
U.S. repeatedly blocked Ukraine peace deals; is it rethinking its strategy yet?Do we still think all-out world war is unlikely (on the grounds that the capitalists won’t destroy their playground)?
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