Party Forums Fiasco

[lindanesocialist]

Tim Kilgallon wrote:

I fail to see how that is a problem. The role of committees is not a policing role, but to carry on the work of that committee as per the terms of reference for that committee. Just like the role of moderators is to moderate, not join in discussion under the auspices of being a moderator

 Each member of  internet committee has more than one account which contavenes rule 8. Vin informs me that pointing out these Animal Farm hypocricies is the real reason he has been censored. Now that is his his opinion and not mine cos it has been 30 years since I read Orwell. Unless it is a crime to reproduce someone elses opinion I should be OK  PS the forum has a virus and admin needs to address that problem

[steve colborn]

"Nothing against you cde Colborn, good friend. In fact  I agree with you but literally havent got the balls to repeat it lol "I've already said it Linda! I don't need to repeat myself. Everyone knows, or should by now, of my opinions. I have not abandoned Vin, as my comment proves, but was not meant as a "post as proof". I agree with SP, and Tim, that we need to approach this issue as a Branch and no, that does not mean we, as a Branch, are cow-towing to anyone, nor abandoning anyone, either.Lets get the face-to-face meeting sorted and come to a unified position and then, we can move forward together! Remember, the Branch is the "Unit of organisation" of the Party, we need to use that position of "strength" and do nothing to encumber it!!! Steve.

[northern light]

I appologise for the off-topic, but is there something wrong with the Forum? On post #29 following the words,"computer programming," there is a green part circle with an accompanying green arrow. Anyone else seeing this?

[moderator1]

northern light wrote:

I appologise for the off-topic, but is there something wrong with the Forum? On post #29 following the words,"computer programming," there is a green part circle with an accompanying green arrow. Anyone else seeing this?

Its #30 actually.  Its a virus and apparently its been blocked.

[northern light]

Well it shows up on post #29 on my computer, in the section that is post&copied and nowhere else, and it is still there

[lindanesocialist]

moderator1 wrote:

The length of the indefinite suspension will depend on how long the EC takes to reach a decision based on the IC report now in front of them.  

 In the interests of basic fairness shouldn'y Vin receive a copy of this report? to prepare a counter defence?Who wrote the report? and May I have a copy of the minutes  relating to its acceptance? Or is this information not publicly available as our party proclaims? 

[lindanesocialist]

The document should be available from a request from any member of the public. The IC are in contevention yet again, of our basic priciples. Vin has been refused a copy by the Internet Committee

[moderator1]

lindanesocialist wrote:

The document should be available from a request from any member of the public. The IC are in contevention yet again, of our basic priciples. Vin has been refused a copy by the Internet Committee

The IC are a sub-committee of the EC and as such we have to abide by our Terms of Reference which stipulate we report to the EC.  With the report now in the hands of the EC its down to them to consider all requests for it to be released to the public domain – not the IC.

[lindanesocialist]

Where in your terms of reference are you allowed to keep party documunts from the public domain?All party meetings and documentation are freely open to the public on request.I request a copy of the IC document referring to the suspension of Cde Vin Maratty. 

[lindanesocialist]

"As a matter of political principle the Socialist Party holds no secret meetings, all its meetings including those of its executive committee being open to the public. This means that all its internal records (except, understandably, for the current membership names and addresses which remains confidential) are open to public consultation. In keeping with the tenet that working class emancipation necessarily excludes the role of political leadership, the SPGB is a leader-less political party where its executive committee is solely for housekeeping admin duties and cannot determine policy or even submit resolutions to conference (and all the EC minutes are available for public scrutiny with access on the web as proof of our commitment to openness and democracy). " http://mailstrom.blogspot.co.uk/2011/09/everything-free-with-spgb.html

[Bijou Drains]

moderator1 wrote:

lindanesocialist wrote:

The document should be available from a request from any member of the public. The IC are in contevention yet again, of our basic priciples. Vin has been refused a copy by the Internet Committee

The IC are a sub-committee of the EC and as such we have to abide by our Terms of Reference which stipulate we report to the EC.  With the report now in the hands of the EC its down to them to consider all requests for it to be released to the public domain – not the IC.

At what point did this party start having secret reports, meetings etc? If this report is discussed as part of the EC meeting its contents as a matter of principle should be available to all members of the party to scrutinise and then make judgments as to whether the EC have acted accordingly. The IC terms of reference do stipulate that the IC report to the EC, they do NOT however, as far as I can see stipulate that any such report should only be made available to the party at large on the say so of the EC. If Mod 1 can quote me chapter and verse from the Terms of Reference that states that this is so I would be very happy to see it.

[SocialistPunk]

Tim,From what I gather the EC have deferred the issue to the May meeting.Whether or not this means the IC report has to wait until then before it's made available is possibly up for debate.It was presented to the April EC, so there could be an argument that technically speaking it belongs in the public domain.Someone with more in depth knowledge of Party procedures and regs etc, may be able to clear this one up.

[lindanesocialist]

lindanesocialist wrote:

"As a matter of political principle the Socialist Party holds no secret meetings, all its meetings including those of its executive committee being open to the public. This means that all its internal records are open to public consultation."http://mailstrom.blogspot.co.uk/2011/09/everything-free-with-spgb.html

Doesn't take a special member to tell you thatNothing is held from the public, the IC should handover the document

[moderator1]

lindanesocialist wrote:

Where in your terms of reference are you allowed to keep party documunts from the public domain?All party meetings and documentation are freely open to the public on request.I request a copy of the IC document referring to the suspension of Cde Vin Maratty. 

Please direct your request to the EC who will deal with it at its next meeting.

[lindanesocialist]

moderator1 wrote:

lindanesocialist wrote:

Where in your terms of reference are you allowed to keep party documunts from the public domain?All party meetings and documentation are freely open to the public on request.I request a copy of the IC document referring to the suspension of Cde Vin Maratty. 

Please direct your request to the EC who will deal with it at its next meeting.

It is the responsibilty of the Internet Committee to make it's documents open to public scrutiny.

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