Marxist Animalism
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I must answer you, Dave, about leaving the party.
Even if the majority of members were total speciesists who view all nonhumans as capitalist society views workers (commodities), then it wouldn’t matter, because socialism won’t be made by them but by the workers en masse. With the coming of socialism the party will dissolve and cease to exist. The SPGB isn’t even likely to be the tool the masses use; others will have sprung up once the mass will is there, and have a momentary existence. I say this because the SPGB has always been a minor curiosity, unknown to most, and is likely to remain so. Socialist society, which I doubt will even use the name, will bemusedly hear of us having existed, and bemusedly respect us for having been.
The fact remains that we need socialism for the sake of nonhumans as well as humans.
Meat-eating will continue to steadily decline under capitalism, together with outdated attitudes generally, outdated attitudes which still exist among socialists as in the general population, but which are going to disappear. Among these attitudes is militant meat-eating, militant human supremacism and productivism.
So even if the majority of party members are still clinging to some outmoded ways of thinking (old mechanist materialism and human supremacist progressivism), it only matters to the extent that their attitudes turn people off from the idea of socialism. But they shouldn’t, when we explain that socialism is no one in control, no party rule, but society as a whole.
Understanding this, out-of-daters in the party are irrelevant to socialism.
Matt, I do not seek to “dehumanise” because I do not see fellow animals as lesser beings.
Only a human supremacist is upset by being reminded s/he is an animal.
If these are some of the methods the alleged majority of members are content to ignore or turn a blind eye to then that’s a further good reason for my recent decision to relinquish membership of the Party.
Where has any member said they were content to turn a blind eye to this?
It was a meat eater who posted that link up.
I believe it was Alan, and, if he is a meat-eater, he is certainly aware that vegetarianism is slowly becoming the future.
Are you unaware that bonds of friendship are frequently formed between humans and nonhumans, Matt? And not just in the domestic “pet” relationship.
I urge you to read Masson, Adamson, Fitzjohn, Uhlenbroek, Goodall, Bekoff, and numerous others.
Only a human supremacist is upset by being reminded s/he is an animal.
Arrogant, moralistic, condescending assumption for your part again. I am not upset to consider myself a human animal.
You deny our natural ‘human animal’ onivorous propensities, to belittle them as supremacist.
Are you unaware that bonds of friendship are frequently formed between humans and nonhumans, Matt? And not just in the domestic “pet” relationship.
I urge you to read Masson, Adamson, Fitzjohn, Uhlenbroek, Goodall, Bekoff, and numerous others.
Oh Golly Gosh! Really?
This is like watching ‘Blue Peter’.
I believe it was Alan, and, if he is a meat-eater, he is certainly aware that vegetarianism is slowly becoming the future.
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There is no IF about it. He is no more aware than any of the rest of us, the current trend in the direction of travel.
Why has my message of links not appeared, thrice?
Undemocratic censorship, perhaps?
Even if the majority of members were total speciesists who view all nonhumans as capitalist society views workers (commodities),
That is not the case. Animals are a food source. Only in capitalism are they commodities.
then it wouldn’t matter, because socialism won’t be made by them but by the workers en masse. With the coming of socialism the party will dissolve and cease to exist. The SPGB isn’t even likely to be the tool the masses use; others will have sprung up once the mass will is there, and have a momentary existence. I say this because the SPGB has always been a minor curiosity, unknown to most, and is likely to remain so.
This minor curiosity has kept the original idea of socialism, as an advanced, post capitalist, production for use, free access society, alive in the face of insuperable odds.
Socialist society, which I doubt will even use the name, will bemusedly hear of us having existed, and bemusedly respect us for having been.
The fact remains that we need socialism for the sake of nonhumans as well as humans.
There will be undoubtable benefits to the planet in general.
Meat-eating will continue to steadily decline under capitalism,
Yes, so what is the problem then?
together with outdated attitudes generally, outdated attitudes which still exist among socialists as in the general population, but which are going to disappear.
We are naturally omnivorous.
Among these attitudes is militant meat-eating,
This is not militancy being naturally omnivorous is a fact.
militant human supremacism
This is an exagerated and uninformed criticism as only we humans can make any changes necessary for a production for use, free access society to come into fruition.
and productivism.
What on earth?
So even if the majority of party members are still clinging to some outmoded ways of thinking (old mechanist materialism and human supremacist progressivism),
This is an insulting slur, we are historical materialist, who see all previous written history a a series of class struggles and recognise the worlds working class as the agents of their own self-emancipation.
It is not supremist progressivism, when we do not lay down blueprints as to what they may or may not eat before during and after the fact, of their self emancipation..
it only matters to the extent that their attitudes turn people off from the idea of socialism. But they shouldn’t, when we explain that socialism is no one in control, no party rule, but society as a whole.
The fact of us being broadly consisting of a representative sample of people outside the party with different lifestyle approaches, will not hinder or aid the process. It takes all sorts of people.
The important factor is that they have become a class for themselves as well as in themselves. They will make the decisions before during and after the fact of the revolution.
Understanding this, out-of-daters in the party are irrelevant to socialism.
Arrogant, judgemental, moralism.
Why has my message of links not appeared, thrice?
Undemocratic censorship, perhaps?
An appalling charge.You can see the form they took and why safeguards were automatically applied by the software.
They were stuck in ‘Pending’.
You should have just posted once and then used the ‘Contact Forum admin’ menu to alert me to its nonappearance.
I have put the other two into the bin as they seem the same as the one I approved.
I am not on here 24/7. I have much more work to do elsewhere on the site, so there may be some delay in responding to any alerts.
I never censor posts. If any are rarely subsequently deleted I usually, not always as I can forget, announce why, ‘Spam’ or some such.
If “animals” (since we are animals, you should at least say other animals) are to you merely a food source, what would you do with animals humans don’t tend to want to eat?
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