August 2021 Forums General discussion Coronavirus

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    More on the alleged lab-leak Versus the natural origins hypothesis

    while Ebola was first recorded in 1976, we do not know how it emerged. Tracing the origin of a pathogen is laborious – it took 14 years for conclusive evidence that Sars arose from a virus transmitted from bats to civets to humans. The fixation on the origin of Covid is a distraction. It does not advance our understanding, nor address how we ought to proceed. While China may have questions to answer on its lack of transparency, fostering conspiracy theories is not conducive to overcoming the pandemic, nor to maintaining a spirit of collaboration.


    There are some right wingers at the us congress who want to fire dr Fauci, they want to replace sciences for witchcraft and they are trying to blame China for the pandemic As always the USA blaming their internal problems on a foreign nation Most of those USA government officials they have not read one pamphlet on epidemiology


    This a good book on epidemics to publish a book review on the SS


    For those who may be involved in debates about the origin of COVID-19 an article that suggests the lab-leak theory does not hold up to scrutiny


    The Chinese government is claiming that the have provided more than one billions doses of their vaccine, but that vaccine only provides 50% of immunity protection and it is not effective for the new variants.

    Moderna, Pfizer and Sputnik provide more than 94% of immunity protection ( two shots ) and probably a booster shot is going to be needed.

    It is going to take several years to take control of this disease and the pandemic and there are millions of peoples who do not want to be vaccinated based on false claims.

    The lab leak theory is part of the struggle against the economic expansion of Chinese capitalism, and to blame the capitalist crisis on the pandemic, the economic crisis existed before the pandemic

    The lab leak theory continues. When the USA government is going to let others nations to check their bacteriological labs and their atomic plants ?


    The lab-leak proponents got headlines in the media. This rebuff from the Chinese scientist involved directly received much less coverage.

    “How on earth can I offer up evidence for something where there is no evidence?” she says


    In similar scenes that we saw previously in Delhi, the poor flee Bangladesh capital, Dhaka, to avoid lockdown and hoping for sanctuary from the economic pain on their livelihoods in their hometowns and villages.


    “It’s not true that we don’t know where it came from – we just don’t know how it got into humans,” says Glasgow University virologist Prof David Robertson.

    There is no definitive piece of evidence – no Covid-positive bat or a confirmed first human case – to show conclusively how it started. That may never be known.

    21 researchers “set the record straight” by publishing their summary of the scientific evidence about the pandemic’s beginning.

    Its key conclusion, says Prof Robertson, is that this virus’s biological properties closely match viruses that have been found in nature – in bats.

    This outbreak, he adds, looks very much like the emergence of the first Sars back in 2003. In that case, the virus was isolated in a widely-traded animal called a palm civet. Over the next few years, researchers discovered very closely related viruses in bats, and in 2017, the ancestor of the Sars virus was found in a population of horseshoe bats in southern China.

    The outbreak was essentially tracked and traced back to the wild animal it came from – deadly mystery solved.

    “The only difference with Covid is that we’ve not found the intermediate species this time,” Prof Robertson says.”But the bat virus link and the strong association to markets selling live animals are both there.”

    Prof David Relman, of the US’s Stanford University takes a contrary opinion.

    “I see this new report as a deliberate effort to marshal all the possible information in support of what is a perfectly good hypothesis – natural spillover – but it’s not balanced and objective,” he told BBC News. “What we don’t need right now is for scientists to insist on their favourite explanation in the absence of new, solid data,” says Prof Relman.”Sars-Cov-2 has not been found in any natural animal host. Let’s just cool it and demand a proper investigation.”
    Prof Relman was one of the authors of a letter to the high-profile scientific journal, Science, in which senior scientists questioned the WHO report’s conclusions and asked for a more thorough investigation into the so-called lab leak hypothesis.


    Covid 19 booster shot.In Israel they are injecting a third shot to certain type of peoples with certain medicals risk


    Australia’s media complicity in promoting the lab-leak theory

    Prof Dominic Dwyer, who was part of the World Health Organization investigation in January says the Australian media had been caught up by political concerns instead of science.


    The efficacy of a drug being promoted by rightwing figures worldwide for treating Covid-19 is in serious doubt after a major study suggesting the treatment is effective against the virus was withdrawn due to “ethical concerns”.

    ‘the introduction section of the paper appeared to have been almost entirely plagiarised. It appeared that the authors had run entire paragraphs from press releases and websites about ivermectin and Covid-19 through a thesaurus to change key words.’


    It looks like the lockdown is going to come back again. The capitalists’ desire for profits is not working because people are getting infected again with the new variants. Now, they are calling it the pandemic of the unvaccinated

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